Room Conversation

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Today did he pass stool?]*Bhakti-cāru: [Transl. Yes. Today he passed in the morning.]*Kavirāja: [Transl. He did in the moring. O.K. How much is that?]*Bhakti-cāru: [Transl. One hundred fifty.] [Kavirāja and Bhakticāru discusses]

Bhakti-cāru:
He gave a medicine yesterday to control the stool, so we have to get it today.

Kavirāja:
Pulse still ninety.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Ninety. That’s not bad. But is it strong or weak?

Kavirāja:
No, stronger.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Stronger. Your pulse is stronger now, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Shastrijī says that your pulse is normal rate and stronger. I think the kīrtana is having a good effect, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. This is also a great medicine—the holy name of Kṛṣṇa.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Bhavauṣadhi—medicine to cure material disease.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes. Mahārāja. Someone asked for some medicine, and the Doctor replied, idaṁ śarīraṁ śata-sandhi-jarjaram pataty avaśyaṁ pariṇāma-peśalaṁ kim auṣadhaṁ pṛcchasi mūḍha durmate nirāmayaṁ kṛṣṇa-rasāyanaṁ piba [Mukunda Mālā Stotra] This body is consist of hundreds of joints. It will definitely die one day and it is changing all the time. Therefore O fool, what medicine are you looking for? If you really want to be cured then drink the nectar of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī was saying that when he gives someone medicine, he gives the medicine, and then because he’s a doctor, he doesn’t care, it may work or not work. But with you, he said he’s become too much attached. He does not know why, but he’s become very much attached, and now he’s too much determined that his medicine must work. He can’t feel indifferent when he treats you.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. The day before yesterday, Mahārāja, I went to the jungle but I could not find it. That ‘tal makhanā’, what you call ‘kulekhārā’ or ‘Branolia’, you know kulekhārā no? I am sure you know it. This grows so much in Bengal. Don’t you know it?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Heard about it. I can’t remember.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. We need it’s root. If we have it then automatically instead of taking the trouble of passing urine again and again you can pass more urine at one time. And if you pass urine more then very soon you will be relieved of your disease.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hmm. You see.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. What see? Mahārāja you were … you definitely wanted to get rid of me. I am telling you the truth.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I lost all hope.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. There is no need to give up hope. If you loose hope then tell me how will we proceed forward?]

Prabhupāda:
Hmm.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Whatever problem you feel kindly let me know. I am sitting here for you. I have no other work. My only work is to treat Prabhupāda and help you regain your health quickly. Other than that I have no work in Vṛṇdāvana. I do not give that much importance to have darśana of Bihārījī as I give importance to cure you.]

Bhavānanda:
Bhakti-cāru?

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Let me check the blood pressure, Mahārāja.]Bhakti-cāru:
He’s explaining about the medicine, that if he gets the medicine it will be all right.

Bhavānanda:
Which medicine?

Bhakti-cāru:
The one that he went to look for in the forest.

Bhavānanda:
Oh.

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s telling that Prabhupāda’s condition is not bad right now. [indistinct] take care of him and Prabhupāda shouldn’t be left alone.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Do you feel like eating sweet-rice or tasmī today?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I have desire. But will I be able to eat?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Eat little. What is there? tasmī kasmai na rocate. There is a śloka in Sanskrit—tasmī kasmai na rocate or who is that person who does not like sweet-rice? I am just having little jesting with Mahārāja.] [sound of blood pressure pump.]Bhakti-cāru: [Transl. Is everything alright?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. One forty by seventy-five.]Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Seventy-five.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Just correct.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Just right. What was the pulse this morning?

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. What was his pulse rate this morning?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. In the morning the rate went up.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, How much?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. His pulse rate was one hundred fifteen in the morning.]

Bhavānanda:
What?

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. This morning his pulse rate was one hundred fifteen.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Now his pulse rate is ninety. His heart is working very nicely. It is working exactly the way it should be in good condition.]

Bhakti-cāru:
Now his heart is in perfect order.

Bhavānanda:
So what was the cause of that distress?

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. What has happened in the morning?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Mahāraja did it, I don’t understand anything.]

Bhakti-cāru:
He says Prabhupāda has done it himself.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Sometimes he is fully alright and sometimes his condition becomes reverse.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. You feel cold in the morning, but you took off your clothes this morning. Were you feeling hot?]

Prabhupāda:
Hmm.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. You took off all your clothes this morning. [To Bhakti-cāru: Since his stool is not clear, we will do something so that he will have clear motion. The stool, we have to create strength to put pressure on the motion.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. The color of the stool was green this morning.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Was it green?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. It might be due to the medicine.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, No. It becomes green when the liver is working in good condition. Green color is good, the color of stool should not be white. That’s all.]

Bhakti-cāru:
The color of his stool was greenish this morning. So that’s good. That shows that the liver is working.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. It is important to keep the liver in good condition. You don’t understand Hindi and I don’t understand English. This is a big problem. [laughter]]

Bhakti-cāru:
“It’s a pity that you can’t understand me and I can’t understand you.”

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, we are understanding.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Don’t forget these two doses of medicine.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Which one? The one for the stool? With water in the morning?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. With warm water or normal water?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. No need of warm water, Just normal water. Whenever you give him water you can boil the water first and then let it cool down. Today I have also reduced his dose of medicines.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Today I have given him only three doses of medicine. You keep giving him water from time to time. That’s all.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I give him the medicine along with ark?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, only with plain water.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I give him half or the complete dose? Should I give him the full dose?]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes. Right now, from pathological test he has no problem. Whether we believe in the test or not, pulse is good, heart is good.]Bhakti-cāru:
He says from pathological point of view, there is nothing wrong.

Kavirāja:
General condition has become good.

Bhakti-cāru:
His condition of the heartbeat is perfect.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So what is wrong?

Bhakti-cāru:
Blood pressure is perfect.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
It is a spiritual thing…

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Then why there is trouble?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, it happened that time]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. The point is that…]Bhakti-cāru:
At that time it happened, but now it’s all right.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. When Śani Mahārāja or Saturn casts his glance on him, he drives Śani Mahārāja away who sometimes feels chastised and thus gives him some trouble. So long the influence of Śani will remain…]

Bhakti-cāru:
Saturn is having its effect, like at times when he was looking at Śrīla Prabhupāda then getting some trouble. When his vision was somewhere else, than when the Saturn looks higher from him, then he becomes…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
But what did Prabhupāda just say?

Kavirāja:
[Transl. The situation in the morning was somewhat like that and he had some problem. Even if we give him ten doses it won’t work. But one single dose works. What can I say? How can I explain it?]

Bhakti-cāru:
He said how can you define it? How can you explain it? Like the condition couldn’t have improved by ten medicines also, but just one medicine it became perfect.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What did Prabhupāda just say?

Bhakti-cāru:
Prabhupāda just said that I mean, this morning his condition was bad, not now.

Bhavānanda:
Prabhupāda was complaining of mental distress this morning also.

Bhakti-cāru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
Hmm?

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. What happened? That …mental distress?]

Prabhupāda:
Hmm-hmm. [smile]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. bole bole. Speak speak]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It is this that someone has given me poison.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh, I see. Then he says.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. See my point is, maybe some demon has given you poison, you understand?]Bhakti-cāru: [indistinct] …someone gave him poison.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Maybe some demon has given you poison. It may be like that. It is not impossible. You know Śaṅkarācārya was there… someone gave him poison and he had to suffer so much for six months. You know glass bottle, someone crushed pieces of glass bottle into powder and fed him mixing it with food. You know what was the result? After one year he contacted leprosy all over his body. Every person must suffer the result of his action. The medicine I have given, if there is any effect of that, there cannot be any poison, that I guarantee you. If there is at all any effect then he would not have survived. Now I cannot detect it as it is already given. I can detect it if his kidney becomes defunct, whether it is caused by disease by planet or by poison.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda was thinking that someone had poisoned him?

Bhakti-cāru:
Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That was the mental distress?

Bhakti-cāru:
Yes.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Since he says so, there has to be some truth in it. There is no doubt about it.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What did Kavirāja just say?

Bhakti-cāru:
He said that when Śrīla Prabhupāda was saying that, there must be something truth behind it. [People all speaking at once; asking about the ācārya that was poisoned by powdered glass]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned?

[pause]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. The strongest poison is mercury. The Surūpā Guha case in Calcutta, did you read it Svāmījī? Surūpā Guha.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He doesn’t know it.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Her husband gave her.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. He gave her as a medicine dose for immediate relief, which we call Ras kapur.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. There was mercury in makara dhvaja.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, No. It is to be given with.]

Woman devotee:
What did he say?

Bhakti-cāru:
He said that it’s quite possible that mercury, it’s a kind of a poison…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That makara-dhvaja.

Bhakti-cāru:
No, he’s saying not that.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Ras-kapur, amiras it’s a very bitter preparation, very poison.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Is it like Makara dhvaja?]

Bhavānanda:
What was he taking, Prabhupāda, before that?

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Makara dhvaja is like nectar. But it is suitable for him, that’s a different thing. Actually it is poison for everyone.]

Bhavānanda:
What medicine was he taking before that?

Bhakti-cāru:
Which one?

Devotee:
Yogendra-ras.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Nothing like that.]

Bhakti-cāru:
Yogendra-ras. No, he was referring to a case, big murder case in Calcutta, the husband poisoned the wife.

Bhavānanda:
That Guha.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Surūpā Guha.]

Bhakti-cāru:
Śaṅkardāsa Banerjee was.

Bhavānanda:
Oh, yes. Our lawyer is the…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhagatjī doesn’t think the [indistinct].

Kavirāja:
[Transl. His body is just like a thunderbolt, hundreds of obstacles cannot harm it.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Whoever the Lord protects, just like Prahlāda Mahārāja was also.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Svāmījī]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]

Kavirāja:
[Transl. This reminds me a śloka.

arakṣitaṁ tisṭhati daiva rakṣitaṁ
śurakṣitaṁ daiva hataṁ vinaśyati
jīvattva nātho pivane visarjita
kṛta prayatno gṛhe na jīvati

You are expert in conclusion Mahārāja, so there is no need to doubt.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No poison is strong enough to stop the hari-nama, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes. Before Harināma… Meera was given so much poison… by a single drop of poison a man can die, she drank it all. Just see. If food is offered to the Supreme Lord it transforms into nectar. This is my conviction.]

Devotee:
Prahlāda Mahārāja.

Bhakti-cāru:
Prahlāda Mahārāja also.

Kavirāja:
[Transl. Meera was given more deadly poison than Prahlāda. In Allopathy there is a poison, the taste of which no one could tell till now.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Would you like some more kīrtana, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Lokanātha can lead. Lokanātha, you lead.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Lokanātha.

Lokanātha:
Not for chanting, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda:
Hmm.

Lokanātha:
We just had a big kīrtana, but I could chant more. I have come a long way to see you and chant for you. So if you allow, I will chant.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Yes. Been chanting all day in the ratha. [break]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[aside:] Jagannātha Purī also. All right, I’ll tell him that, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda:
You have taken your van?

Lokanātha:
No.

Prabhupāda:
You take your van and three o’clock there.

Lokanātha:
Three o’clock is all right?

Prabhupāda:
Four.

Lokanātha:
Four o’clock.

Prabhupāda:
How is the climate outside?

Lokanātha:
There’s not cold so far. Lucky I came today. It’s good climate.

Haṁsadūta:
At night it’s a little chilly, and in the day it’s very pleasant and warm.

Prabhupāda:
No, other parts of India.

Lokanātha:
Oh, north. As we go towards the Himalaya it gets cold; otherwise up to Delhi and Chandigarh same climate as it is here now. As soon as we got into the mountains, it was very cold. We were shivering. But as we came to the plains, wherever we went the same climate. Same as Vṛndāvana. It’s a good climate.

Prabhupāda:
So you come at four, [indistinct]. [break] [end]