Room Conversation

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Grapes juice?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Grapes juice is not making problem. Grapes juice he drinks. But this never happened before.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Grapes juice increases blood. It’s good.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You said by drinking grapes juice…]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. May be… Is he taking this continuously for one month?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. More than one month. He doesn’t eat anything else.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. There is nothing bitter I hope.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I will show you the prescription.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. That is little … About milk, do you have Goat?]

Śatadhanya:
Finished with the urine, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
Hmm. [Transl. Tell him to see me once a day.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhakti-caru, Prabhupāda is talking to you.

Bhakti-cāru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I am saying that he should come and check me every day]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay, Okay. [to the Kavirāja assistant: Śrīla Prabhupāda is saying that you come every day whenever you are free and check him up.]

Bhakti-cāru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda wants him to come every day, once a day, and check him out.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Is this urine?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, you check it. Should I put the light on? May I put the light on Śrīla Prabhupāda?]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
One hundred cc’s, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Your urine was 100 cc’s.

Prabhupāda:
No, urine is normal. Urine, it is all right. I am lying here. He can come conveniently.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhakti-caru, Prabhupāda says he is lying here, so the kavirāja can come whenever it’s convenient, ’cause he’s always here.

Bhakti-cāru:
Right. That’s what I told him.

Prabhupāda:
And you should pay for that.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No problem.

Prabhupāda:
Appreciate.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. Appreciate. There’s no problem for that, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, let me see your hand. It is less in the hands.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Less than before?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. It is less than before.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. How did you come in contact with Kavirājajī?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. It happened like that he came with you.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I took him Śrīla Prabhupāda. I took Shāstrijī to him and from that connection he knows Shāstrijī.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. The ark you are taking is coming from my place.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What was that?

Bhakti-cāru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda is asking him how did he get to know Shastrijī. So he said that it’s I who took him there and…

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Mahārājaji, are you getting normal sleep?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. I get sleep.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. You get sleep. Well, what is the color of the urine?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Little yellow.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[to Śatadhanya] Is it slightly yellowish, the color?

Śatadhanya:
Yellowish and clear. Yellow, clear.

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yellow and clear.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What is your good name?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. My name is Niśchint Snātak.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Where are you from?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. I am from Avadh. Last fifteen years I am living in Vṛṇdāvana.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Is your family here?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Yes. My family ..My wife and two children, one is there. Next time when I come, …there is a saying that goat milk is very light. First the Goat is fed green leaves and herbs and then milk is taken. When one is unable to take any medicine, he is given goat milk. It will prove more useful. This was his advice.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Bring some.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Just a moment Śrīla Prabhupāda, How and who will feed the green leaves?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. First the green leaves and herbs have to be collected. Then feed them to a goat.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Where will we get the goat?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Keep a goat here.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh, but …I see After that…]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. The goat has to be kept here.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. First he used to have no problem in taking cow’s milk. I asked you before whether by drinking cow’s milk he became like this? And you said that by drinking cow’s milk mucus may increase but nothing else can happen.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. You know the foam of the milk, you take it out first, and then give him. Don’t give him the direct milk. You boil it again, take out the foam and then give him. When you remove the foam then the milk becomes very light.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, alright.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
How will he stop the stool?

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. And what can you do to stop the stool?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Let me see it.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Let me tell you. At night he passed 40 gms. After that…]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Even now little bit came out.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. It is coming out now also. This morning 9 o’clock….]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. One minute, Mahārājajī, is it coming out drop by drop or at a time?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It is coming out like drops.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Drops?]

Prabhupāda:
Hmm.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. After you pass urine, do you again feel like passing immediately?]

Prabhupāda:
Ummm.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. After you finish passing urine, do you feel that some more urine is still there? Is it like that?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Before it used to be like that.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Not now?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Okay.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yesterday morning 9 o’clock it was 40 gms, then at 1:30 p.m. 20 gms, then at 2:45 p.m. 10 gms and then at 3 o’clock. So you see 1:30, 2:30 and 3 o’clock, within this one and half hours he passed stool three times. That I will show you later. These are the three—1:30, 2:30 and 3 o’clock.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Is the Stool watery?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yesterday his stool was not watery. It was okay. When he passed for the last time, it was watery. Before that the stool was okay. It came out solid.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Other things were okay?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. After decoction was given yesterday, when decoction was given again then it happened.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Did you give the medicine along with the decoction?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, these are the medicines.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. This number 2 medicine is for morning and evening. With decoction.]

Bhaki-cāru:
[Transl. Decoction is not written here. No, no. Decoction is mentioned. He wrote it later and gave me.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Name is not written.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Look here, this is the decoction. I showed you yesterday evening.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. This one is decoction. And this is ark.]

[Bhakti-cāru and Kavirāja assistant discuss medicines]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhakti-caru, what is he going to give for stopping the stool?

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s trying to figure out why he’s passing stool, from the medicine.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Where was the pain?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda? Which side of the stomach you were having pain yesterday?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. On the left side.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. On the left side.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. On the left side. Okay. After that he passed stool, no?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. After that he passed stool. About five, ten minutes after that he wanted to pass urine and at that time he also passed stool.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Alright. There is no need for this one. That one I will check.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Here is the number two medicine. I was supposed to give him this medicine two times yesterday. But I only gave him one time. In the evening I didn’t get time to give him. He was sleeping and I didn’t wake him up.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Do not disturb him. Whenever he takes rest, do not disturb him.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. We never disturb him.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. The good sign is that he has no swelling in the hands.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. It should be like that. The quantity of urine should increase.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. The urine has increased.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. By that, the swelling will gradually become nil. Does he normally feel hungry?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No. Not at all.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Not at all. The day before yesterday I prescribed ginger juice with honey. Do you remember?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That was for cough.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Did you give him?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No. The cough was less. So I didn’t give him. He said if there is cough then you mix ginger juice and honey with the medicine and make it like a chutney. But it was not needed.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. That is for motion. Ginger juice and honey to constipate.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Only ginger juice and honey, no medicine.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. No. No medicine. It will bring appetite. It will help digest the food. It is digestive.]

Bhavānanda:
Bhakti-caru, what is he saying? Anything?

Bhakti-cāru:
Yes.

Bhavānanda:
What?

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s saying that for controlling the stool he’s going to just give juice of ginger roots and honey mixed together, and just that. He’s not going to give any other medicine for that.

Bhavānanda:
Gentle.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That will stop the stool?

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s saying yes. He doesn’t want to change this medicine. He says that none of these medicines has any ingredient that might cause stool or might make him pass stool. And…

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Why is he having so much loose motion? What is the reason?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. So much old stool is stuck in his intestine. That is coming out with the twisting of bowels.]

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s saying that passing stool is due to the old stool that was in the stomach. That is coming out. They are not laxatives, as such. Now I remember, he was telling also, that Shastrijī, that Śrīla Prabhupāda’s intestine has become shrunk, dried up. Now they are slowly, slowly, they have got to become loose and loser, and this might be one thing, like the intestine is loosening, and that is causing the bowels to move.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. When did it start? Yesterday?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yesterday he passed four, five times.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So if that is true, then why should he stop the stool?

Bhakti-cāru:
No, I mean since it’s causing inconvenience… So that… He’s saying that these two agents are natural digesters, both ginger juice and honey.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Natural digestives? So what does that have to do with stopping the stool?

Bhakti-cāru:
Anyway, since he said, we can just try it.

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You said it is digestive.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Yes.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. So how will it stop the loose motion?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. It will not stop the stool. It will help digest the food. And when the food is properly digested the stool will become solid.

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You are saying that the old stool is coming out. That is a good thing. Then why do you want to stop it?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. We don’t want to stop it. But we want to make the liquid stool in to solid.]

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s not actually bind…, causing it to stop. He said that it will… Now, last few times, Śrīla Prabhupāda has passed very light stool and liquidish. So this thing, ginger root and honey, will make it sort of thicker.

Bhavānanda:
Less often.

Bhakti-cāru:
Yes.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. While passing stool, does he sometimes feel that the stool is not coming out?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That I have to ask him. Śrīla Prabhupāda, Vaidyajī is asking that while passing stool, do you feel that the stool is stopping and not coming out freely?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It used to happen like that before.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. It used to happen like that before.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. It doesn’t happen now.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Does it happen now?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now it comes out in the liquid form.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Now he is having loose motion.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. So first he was having constipation and now the stool is coming out liquid. From tomorrow morning you give this.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Honey and this. No need to give from tonight.]

Bhavānanda:
Bhakti-caru—what?

Bhakti-cāru:
He’s asking lastly whether, while passing stool, there’s a feeling that the stomach has been cleared, kind of a constipated feeling, in spite of…, half way. Śrīla Prabhupāda said that it was happening like that before, but last few times it was liquidish. It was watery stool, so there is no question of…

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. This medicine is mixed with different herbs.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You have mixed together? Punārṇava root is there.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Do you have?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. We have plenty here.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Is it white or red?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. What?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Do you pick the red ones or white ones?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. White ones. The other medicines he mixed together and made like a powder and boiled it.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhakti-caru, what’s going on?

Bhakti-cāru:
He was wondering about one medicine that has some roots and herbs mixed together and boil it for a long time and just give the extract of that. He was wondering whether that medicine, how I have that medicine… There are different items in it. That vaidyajī already made, mixed it together. So he was wondering about that medicine, how it is, how do I keep it.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Do you feel any urge for passing air Svāmījī?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. The air is passing freely. It is controlled now.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. How is that?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Because the medicine is going on.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today I have not given him medicine at noon time.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. The medicines which we have been continuing from before…]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. So the medicines should be continued.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Yes. Medicines should be continued as it is. This one you give tomorrow morning with ginger juice and honey.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. In empty stomach or by mixing it with the other medicines?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Empty stomach…]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. This one medicine I am giving already in the morning. Should I give that along with this medicine?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Yes. You give this with the other medicine mixed with ginger juice and honey. You supposed to mix it with decoction no? Now stop the decoction.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I stop the decoction?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Hindi Yes. Give this medicine with honey and ginger juice only.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Alright. There will be no problem by stoping the decoction.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. No problem. You may give him one time in the evening.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. In the evening, okay. And the ark you gave, the ark, I should continue to give him that.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Yes. Use more sugar candy every day. Give glucose.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I don’t give him glucose. Because this medicine is bitter so I mix it with glucose.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. You mix honey with the medicine and give him. Honey is good for him.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh. Honey is good. So I will mix it with honey and ginger juice and give him. How much honey and how much ginger juice should I give?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Little, little you give, glucose sometimes constipates. May be one spoon, no half spoon of ginger juice and half spoon of honey. So that’s all. I will leave now.]Svarūpa Dāmodara:
So he can come every day in the morning? He can come every day, like Prabhupāda said?

Bhakti-cāru:
Yes, he’s going to come. Bhakti-cāru: [Transl. To kavirāja, When will you come?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. I will come tomorrow ten o’clock.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Tomorrow ten o’clock. Okay.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. And remember what I told you. You should all pray all the time.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That is going on 24 hours a day. There is kīrtan going on.]

Bhakti-cāru:
He told me yesterday also that there should be continuous prayers.Prabhupāda: [Transl. When you go out do you charge any fee?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. When you go out to visit a patient, how much do you charge?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Like that I charge ten rupees.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
How much?

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Ten rupees.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Eight rupees, ten rupees. Eight rupees, ten rupees, that is minimum charge. You get well that is my prayer. You do not worry at all. You be cured. That’s all.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
All right then. * [indistinct comments]

Prabhupāda:
He said that “I want to see you cured [indistinct].” Still, we can pay him. I’ll do. And this… Send him car.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Car? Or he can take rickshaw?

Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Is it close from here?Svarūpa Dāmodara: [Transl. Is it close from here?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. What?]

Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Your house?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. My house is at Raṅgajī.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. How much rickshawala takes?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Rickshaw takes two rupees.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. So 1.50 rupees and your five rupees we will give you daily. You come.]

Svarūpa Dāmodar: [Transl. Take this ten rupees.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What time will you come?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. 10 o’clock]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Tomorrow morning 10 o’clock I will come.]

Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Morning 10 o’clock.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. So come morning 10 o’clock.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. I want to see the condition of the stool at that time.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Sample?]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Not sample. Just like that.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh. Just like that.]

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Also I will check his pulse and if the swelling is less from the night and his over all condition.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He can take a rickshaw, surely.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Hindi] ?

Prabhupāda:
[Hindi, asks if rickshaw is all right] ?

Svarūpa Dāmodara:
We’ll do that, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [Hindi with kavirāja and Bhakti-caru]

Prabhupāda:
So you do… Account for that.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, I know. We’ll give him.

[indistinct conversation about paying the kavirāja’s assistant’s fare to and from his home]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
And rickshaw he’ll take back and forth? Rickshaw’s one rupee each way.

Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Prabhupāda said give him five rupees.

Prabhupāda:
No, one rupee fifty…

[indistinct discussion about rickshaw prices]

Bhakti-cāru:
It’s three rupees both ways, actually.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That’s all right, then. That’s all right.

Kavirāja assistant:
[Transl. Okay. See you again tomorrow.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, He is leaving.]

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