Room Conversation With Śrī Nārāyaṇa and Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj
They are just like animals, but they also chant and dance.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
But are you feeling better, Swāmījī?
Prabhupāda:
Yes. Little, little.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Little better.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Sit down, sit down. Come in Māji.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. I sit here. Last time we met you in Juhu and had your darśana.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Only bones are left.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. I can see.]
Prabhupāda:
Therefore always two attendants, and they are taking care. Otherwise personally I would not…
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Should I move a little?]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, please sit down. It’s all right. It’s here for you to sit, so you can…
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
I don’t want you to talk loudly.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So you sit down.
Mātājī:
[Transl. I can come that side.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Can we come to that side?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. Come and sit down.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
You can sit here.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. May I sit here?]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. So that you don’t have to speak loudly? That is why.]
Prabhupāda:
I’m very glad to see you here. [Transl. Has Bajājjī come?]
Śrī Bajāj:
[Transl. Yes, I am paying obeisances to you.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Jaya. All of you accept my blessings.]
Śrī Bajāj:
[Transl. As we had a talk with you, we have come to your house. By tomorrow about 80, 90, or 100 people would arrive here. They are all members from different places.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. So what is the programme now?]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Tomorrow from 2 p.m. there will be a conference called Gītā sammelana. It will go on tomorrow and the day after tomorrow also. I have also said that tomorrow evening about one and half hours, we would like to see all of your films, and hear kīrtana etc.]
Prabhupāda:
So, Tamāla Kṛṣṇa?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
Who has got these films, you can…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. I’m going to arrange it with Akṣayānanda Mahārāja. The temple has everything here.
Prabhupāda:
Call Akṣayānanda Mahārāja.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
All right.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. We will arrange it in the temple only. We all sit down there and hear kīrtana. We will also watch the film ‘New Vrindāvana’. It is very nice.]
Prabhupāda:
Just see our activities all over the world.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Everyone knows about it. People from all parts of the country are coming here. From Pondichery one member of Aurobindo society will come. Navajātjī.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. He is the head of the Aurobindo Society.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. He is the President now. He is also coming here from Pondichery.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. And Vinobhājī?]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Vinobhājī does not go out anywhere. Many members who are engaged in the act of spreading Gītā are coming. They all want to see…]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. There is a good field, to preach the message of Gītā there is a good field.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. There is a field.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This I am telling from my own experience. Alone I did whatever I could. If it is done with a combined effort it will be very big.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. It will be very big.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. You have done a marvelous job.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. You have made a miracle. In last ten or eleven years, you told me before, we are very much amazed. In such a short time how you have…]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. In the whole world…]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. In the whole world it will spread.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. People are taking. In Africa, now in South Africa.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. In South Africa?]
Prabhupāda:
Is it not South Africa?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. In South Africa, they hate Indians so much.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. They hate so much. There they don’t allow anyone.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Gandhijī worked very hard for this.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. But he was not successful.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. He was not successful.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. General Smatt did not give any attention. Now things have changed there.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. I see. Your moment has started there now?]
Prabhupāda:
Why don’t you show them the South African report?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. We want to see what is happening in South Africa. In South Africa there is still no political system. They are not ready to hear India’s views.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What to speak of politics, they have put Indians in such a place to live which is like a slaughterhouse.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Like slaughterhouse.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They are kept in a place where the local people scream whole night like animals.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. They have been given such a place to live.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. So that they run away.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
This is a temple that was built there. We have a big farm there as well as two temples. This is one of the temples.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Where in South Africa? Natal?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Near Durban.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Near Durban. I see.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
And they had fifteen thousand people attending at the Janmāṣṭamī celebration. Here you see some go-pūjā.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This I can tell you that there is so much field for our culture…]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes, Very much.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. …if you can give them then the whole world will be benefitted. And our glory will be enhanced. India’s glory. This is our humble request to all of you.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. You don’t have to request. You have done so much and it should continue. It should spread everywhere.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This is my inner desire that people,] Without culture they’re suffering. If you want to mitigate their sufferings, this is Gītā culture.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Gītā culture.]
Prabhupāda:
Oh, yes. That is my experience. [Transl. Now you can see this yourself. But there is huge field, they will accept widely. The same thing is in Africa also. They are just like animals, but they also chant and dance. Europeans are buying our books so much.] We have sold this Caitanya-caritāmṛta even in Russian countries.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Russian countries.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. This is Caitanya-caritāmṛta.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Gītā Caritāmṛta.
Bhakti-caru:
This is Caitanya-caritāmṛta in seventeen volumes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Here are some of our African publications, Śrīla Prabhupāda, published in Swahili.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Really?]
Prabhupāda:
African,
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. African language.]
Prabhupāda:
Chinese, Japanese.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Russian… [Transl. You have no discrimination between this and communism. This is a great achievement. To have success in Communist country is a great thing.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Communist country has taken 30 sets of books.] This is really humanitarian.
Ramkrishna Bajaj:
[Transl. Those participants who have come here, we will explain to them whatever you said. We will inform them about the activities of this society and highlight them.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I cannot come.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes, you…]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. I think you go to the temple in the morning?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. At that time all of them can take your darśana.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes,yes.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. 8:30 no?]
Śrī Rāmkṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. At 8:30.]
Prabhupāda:
When I go for parikramā?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Eight-thirty in the morning, generally.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. We will tell everyone to take darśana.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Then all of the participants can have *darśana of *Śrīla Prabhupāda, and we also have the darśana of the Deities at that time.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Deity also. [Transl. That will be good. I have heard that you are leaving for Māyāpur tomorrow. Is it not?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Have a plan, but God knows]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Have a plan?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Just have a plan.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. If you have some improvement from the Vaidyaji’s medicine, that is what I was told, you will certainly improve. But during the journey you should not.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They are saying I should stay here only. Now it is up to the Lord.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. Everything will happen by the will of the Lord.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This much I can give you hint that there is so much field for Gītā culture. And if it is organized then we can influence the whole world.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
Whole world.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda? We got report that the recent printing of the Bhagavad-gītā will be sold out by June. One million five hundred thousand copies will have been sold in about ten months’ time. Fifteen lakhs were sold in ten months just in the United States.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Fifteen lakh copies?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Just see.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes, you told me that your daily income from the book sell is 8 - 10 lakh rupees. This includes all your literatures. You told me this before in Bombay.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. One set of our Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta costs Rs. 800/-]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Rs. 800/-]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. This is that?]
Bhakti-caru:
Seventeen volumes, Caitanya-caritāmṛta, English translation.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now we have received,] How many? Fifty…
Bhakti-caru:
How many sets?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Standing orders was…, I think it was three thousand standing orders.
Prabhupāda:
Three thousand or five thousand… [Transl. Anyhow even if it is three thousand then how much will that be?]
Bhakti-caru:
Twenty-four lakhs.
Prabhupāda:
Three thousand eight hundred.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Three thousand eight hundred.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. That’s two and half crore. No it is twenty-four lakhs.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Twenty-four lakhs.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Three thousand at fifty rupees each.
Bhakti-caru:
Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Svāmijī, you were saying in Bombay that you were translating some literature. Have you finished it? I don’t remember which literature it was? You were translating, I think it was the last chapter?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam*]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. It was not Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is already translated no?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Tenth Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is being translated.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes. It was Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Is it completed?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No. It is not completed. It is going on. His health is not good so the translation work is slow.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. You said like you translate at night.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I translate at night only.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. You translate at night.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. But now my brain doesn’t work properly. The brain has to be involved in the work.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. That is very true.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. You can’t talk rubbish.] [Everyone laughs]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. In Ṛishikesh your health did not improve much.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. No significant improvement]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It was in Rishikesh where my health detoriated]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. It became worst.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Then I thought if I have to die then better I go to Vṛṇdāvana. So I came to Vṛṇdāvana.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. You stayed in Vṛṇdāvana for sometimes. I think you also went to London.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Your health did not improve there.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. According to my Horoscope, there is no life span left. That is over.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now what can I say? Only God knows, Otherwise] I finished my duration of life according to horoscope.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Now you have to complete at least one hundred years of your duration of life. Is it not?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I have to do, but] in this feeble condition.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. In our country the tradition is that one should live up to one hundred twenty-five years.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now you all do it. You are all young men. I am old now. Now you will have programmes for two days.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Two days programme, Tomorrow and day after tomorrow. It will conclude on the day after tomorrow evening.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Here is Akṣayānanda Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
Ah, Akṣayānanda Mahārāja…
Akṣayānanda:
Yes, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
The film and… What happened to…?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yeah, they would like to have a…
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Bhajan, Kīrtana and they would like to see the film on New Vṛṇdāvana. Then one hour bhajan and kīrtana tomorrow evening 9 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. After meal, from 9 o’clock. If you say we can take meal little early.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. We can take meal early also.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Then it can be from 8.30 to 10.00p.m. Many people have come from different parts of India.]
Akṣayānanda:
[Transl. We would be very happy.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Whenever you want you tell.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. That we will take care.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. Now let him…]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. He should not be strained. We had your darśana and we are very happy about it. As soon as we arrived we came to know that you are leaving. We were thinking to meet you tomorrow morning, it is good that we met you today. Tomorrow morning we will have your darśana anyway.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. Whatever you have said at the time of inauguration, we will explain it to everyone.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. We will tell everyone about that.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Mātājis are here. Your mother?]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. Yes, my mother is well now. My wife just returned from there. She is fine now.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. [to the guest ladies:] Come this side and pay your obeisances. This is Rāmakṛṣṇa’s wife—Vimlabāi, Mātājī’s health is good now. She just went and met her. She is fine and living in Wārdha.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I had developed a relationship with Rāmakṛṣṇajī’s mother. Elder sister.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Elder sister. [Laughs] She is now eighty-six years old. She will be eighty-six in January.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This is God’s grace.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. This is Madalasa. You met her before.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I cannot get up and sit down. Please excuse me for my mistakes.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. No, no. You have rendered a great service to the whole world. And you need to continue it for many more years svāmījī.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. You all co-operate.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Such a huge mission has been accomplished in ten or eleven years. It is simply unprecedented.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Outside India…]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Outside India?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. There was no temple whatsoever.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. There was not even a single temple.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. But now there are one hundred eight temples.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Now there are one hundred and eight temples.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. All of them are dedicated to Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. Your, that Mayor of Bombay, what’s his name?]
Tamāl Kṛṣṇa:
[indistinct.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. He visited our centers abroad.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Did he visit your centers?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. He says that such temples are not found even in India. They take so nice care of the Lord and spend so much money for Them.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. There was some problem in Bombay. Is it solved now? Rāmakṛṣṇajī told me that there was some problem about the road. I think that dispute is over now.]
Prabhupāda:
I do not know.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. You remember last time we had a talk with you, after that Rāmakṛṣṇajī tries very much…]
Prabhupāda:
What…, what happened to the Hindu…?
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
What is the latest about the Bombay temple [Transl. Some roads had to be constructed?]
Guest lady:
[Transl. That belongs to the temple.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
We haven’t heard anything in the last two or three months, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Girirāja hasn’t… This telegram came from the former mayor—Ganatra? Ravji Ganatra? He wrote, “Pray God to give you long life to spread Indian culture in every nook and corner of the universe.”
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. That is from the Mayor of Bombay. It is very nice.]
Ramkrishna Bajaj:
That is the feeling of all, everybody.
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Now everything will be alright Svāmījī. Do not worry, the Lord will help you.]
Prabhupāda:
That is Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 4.11].
[Śrī Nārāyaṇa and lady guests talking about leaving.]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. This is my another sister, this is my younger sister and this is my brother-in-law Śrī Rāj Nārāyaṇajī.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Where do they live?]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. They live in Delhi.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. How many sisters do you have?]
Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj:
[Transl. I have three sisters.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. The eldest one is Kamalābāi. She lives in Bombay most of the time. And we live in Wardha most of the time.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. And what about your wife?]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. She is here. We live in Wārdha. And this one is the youngest.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Okay. All of you be happy.]
Lady guest:
[Transl. Your blessings.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. You have done so much for the country. Para-upakāra. The human form of life, this is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, para-upakāra.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Para-upakāra.]
Prabhupāda:
Especially those who have taken birth in India…
bhārata-bhūmite manuṣya-janma haila yāra
janma sārthaka kari’ kara para-upakāra
[Cc Ādi 9.41]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Do you understand?]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Yes.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Anyone who has take birth in India, should make his life perfect and do good to others.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. Do good to others.]
Prabhupāda:
This is Indian culture, para-upakāra. Indian culture is not meant for exploiting others. Para-upakāra. That is human life, para-upakāra. And that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s mission. Bhārata, especially bhārata-bhūmi… [Transl. Is a holy land. One who has taken birth in that land should make his life perfect and then engage in the welfare of others.]
Śrī Nārāyaṇa:
[Transl. So we will have your darśana tomorrow morning again in the temple.]
Devotee:
Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
Jaya. [kavirāja enters]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Today you talked a lot Mahārāja.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You talked so much today.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Oh, you are sitting here.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He has come Śrīla Prabhupāda. He prepared the medicines and came back just now.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. How much urine did he pass today?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today it is more 540.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I am very happy.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. And clear, the last two times he passed was very clear.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. This one bottle I have prepared, it is very light. I have changed some ingredients. I have to make two bottles. I engaged my assistant to help. Very good medicine. It was not possible to prepare today, but by his mercy I was able to make it. Everything was scattered. I used jaggery and fenugreek. It started dropping from 7 o’clock. I prepared this bottle. You keep it in the water. Do you have fridge here?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Keep in the fridge.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give one dose from this today.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today one dose. How much quantity one dose should be?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Half an ounce.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Means two spoons]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, four spoons.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Four small spoons.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Four big spoons. No harm.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Four big spoonfull. Okay. Should I give him now?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. The swelling in the eyes is less. Didn’t you notice?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. Swelling is less in the eyes. There was swelling in the legs.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Was it more?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Little, but you see]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You didn’t apply Narkachur today? No, it is not more. It seems you didn’t apply today.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. No Narkachur today?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh no. Because he was sleeping at noon time.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. So what? You apply while he is lying down. Medicines should not be missed.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I was afraid of disturbing his sleep.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He falls sleep within minutes and wakes up within minutes.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. In the evening we gave him oil massage.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. yā niśā sarva-bhūtānāṁ / tasyāṁ jāgarti saṁyamī / yasyāṁ jāgrati bhūtāni / sā niśā paśyato muneḥ [Bg. 2.69] Not much.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
It’s going down.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Today he looks little better.]
Adri-dharaṇa:
[Transl. Urine is more today.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Very good. He will pass like that.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
The main thing we saw today, Prabhupāda passed more urine than ever before, and very clear-colored.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Is the ticket booked for day after tomorrow?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Day after tomorrow, there is no news from Delhi till now. Our telephone is also out of order.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I see.]
Bhakti-caru:
The telephone is out of order. He was wondering…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Whether we got the reservations or not.
Bhakti-caru:
Yes.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What did you give him today to eat? See, there are blisters in the hands.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. There is still some swelling. Before it was less than now.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He has talked too much today. He should not be speaking so much.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. It puts pressure on the heart.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What is that?
Bhakti-caru:
Said Prabhupāda shouldn’t speak so much.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Phew. Yes.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Do you know them?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No. I don’t know them personally. I have heard Śrīman Nārāyaṇa’s name.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. One of them was Śrīman Nārāyaṇa and the other one was Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj. Bājāj Electricals. His wife, two sisters and brother-in-law.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Svāmijī, these people are also beggars. They pray every day, O Lord, let me have one mill, two mills, four mills. [Prabhupāda laughs] But I think they are nothing in front of you. You are an exalted personality.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I am also a beggar.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I am also a beggar.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No. You didn’t do anything for yourself. Do you have any house of your own? Do you have 2 to 4 lakhs of rupees in your personal account? No, nothing. Now it appears that you are like the father of the whole world. Just like Mahatma Gandhi was the father of the nation. Whatever work you have done and the way you have trained so many children you will remain immortal in the pages of History. Now do not be in illusion about your astrological chart. You still have duration of life left, I am telling you this. I say this because the medicines are working on you perfectly. That’s why I have full faith. I have faith in God. Yesterday I had a dream in which I saw you in a divine form. Therefore, actually from so many months the diseases have been jammed together. It will take time to get rid… The medicine that I give you is very slow medicine, because if I give more doses it might cause reaction.]
[whispering in background]
Prabhupāda & Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. So I thought you rather get well after a few days, no problem. Slowly, slowly there will be progress. After three days there will be progress.]
Bhaki-cāru:
[Transl. Okay.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Slowly but surely.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What did you give him to eat today?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. This morning I gave Barley and milk.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Very good.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Then I gave grapes juice.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What about cough?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He has no cough now. That’s why I did give him the medicine.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Actually he doesn’t have cough. He simply thinks like that, I know. Svāmījī, you don’t have cough. Now give up this pastime of being sick. Stop this business and serve mankind. This is my request. Benefit the whole world. It is impossible that today you have cough and tomorrow there is no sign of cough at all.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[chuckling] He’s saying it’s impossible, that Śrīla Prabhupāda, that he had cough today, and tomorrow there is no sign of it. So these are all Śrīla Prabhupāda’s pastimes, his own doings.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Today in a short while give him some ark, because he might go to sleep as he has spoken a lot today. He becomes tired very quickly.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. In the evening also he took barley and milk.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That’s good. You continue to give him barley and milk and he will gain strength from it.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Strength, It is grain. It will go out through urine. There is no problem.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. The important thing is that today he drank milk, but he had no problem.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Okay. Did he pass stool today?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today he passed little stool.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Passed? Very good. Now he will get back his appetite.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. If he passes stool once a day, he will gradually have appetite to eat.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay. Today he ate some Gourd sabji at noon.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Very good.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He said he liked it.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. My idea was that you get well in fifteen days and then I will take you further. But you have a desire so I made this programme of going along with you. Nothing will happen. You will reach there safely. This is my self confidence. Also I have full faith in my medicine. After I give you…]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. But you will not stay here for fifteen days.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I will not be here. If needed I will come back again. I cannot stay. Diwālī is coming in a few days time.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. When is Diwālī?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Diwālī is on 7th]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I came here only for 2 days. I thought after 1 or 2 days I will come back. That’s why I didn’t bring enough cloth. I inquired there about Mahārāja’s problems. But I didn’t get the exact situation. If I knew, I would have come here with ark and other things.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Nobody knew, it is not possible to say much in telephone.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You should have talked to me over the telephone so that I would have asked about the whole picture. But you didn’t know me.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. I didn’t know you.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. See. The quantity of urine has automatically increased from 300 to 500. Same medicine.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. It is more than 500. It is 540. Try if you can increase it.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, I will not try to increase. If passing of urine is too much then potassium goes out of the body.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I save the urine tomorrow morning?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes. I will see it. I must see. Tomorrow I would also like to see the stool.]
Bhakti-caru:
In the morning you have to save the urine.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Which time? The latest possible one.
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Of what time in the morning?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What time does he pass stool?]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
’Cause he passes urine sometimes two times in the morning, or three.
Bhakti-caru:
For last few days, at times he’s passing at four o’clock and then again at about six o’clock.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So which one of those two?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Did he pass at noon time today?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He passes from time to time whole day.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No. stool?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. Stool.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Urine you save the first time he passes in the morning like four or five o’clock.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. 12 o’clock noon time.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Just now I was talking to her, is she his sister?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. It was 12 o’clock at night. I forgot.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I think the swelling in the eyes will reduce in 3/4 days.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. It looks little less.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Little swelling is always there in his eyes. That’s his nature. Same thing with his sister also. So far the extra swelling is concerned, the more the swelling reduces, it means his kidney is working better. What the arrangement is all about? Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No. There will be Gītā conference here.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Gītā Pratiṣṭhāna. Big conference.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Will it be tomorrow?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Tomorrow and day after tomorrow.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Two days. Two-day conference.
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Two days conference. You also come.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Surely. Where?]
Bhakti-caru:
Where is the conference?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
It will be in the gurukula building at two o’clock tomorrow afternoon.
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. It will be two o’clock in the afternoon tomorrow in the gurukula building. There is a hall where it has been arranged. If I can’t go then I will send someone to bring you. Today you must be very tired. You have to take rest.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Actually I don’t have assistant with me here. I have to do everything myself. He has also worked very nicely.
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh, Yes.? Obeisances. He is a good boy.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Medicine No. 2, …]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I have not given medicine no. 2 yet. I will give now.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. With that you give the ark also.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I mix together and give?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No. Mix it with honey and give him. Did you give him decoction?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Decoction? Decoction is given. I gave at about 5 o’clock.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You don’t tell me all this. Did you mix punārṇava root in it?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I did not have roots, so I mixed punārṇava leaves only.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. If you find roots then use that. Roots are better.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. So Doctor Sir? Is he not a Doctor?] [referring to Svarūpa Dāmodara].
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, he’s a doctor of Physics.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Chemistry.
Bhakti-caru:
Oh, chemistry.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. See? he fell asleep? Sometimes he sleeps and sometimes he is awake.]
Bhakti-caru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda:
Hmm?
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I give you little medicine?]
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give him. auṣadhaṁ jāhnavī toyaṁ. As Ganges water is pure, similarly medicine is also pure. [pause] Svāmijī, today you took juice, did you feel good taste?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Little bit.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, you also ate a little bit of vegetable, and you said there was a little taste today, I think. [to Svarūpa Dāmodara:] You can tell him. Some vegetable.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Yes, he said. [Transl. He ate some vegetable.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He will eat. In a day or two he will also eat rice, he will also eat sabji. Today urine was 500cc?]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Yes. 500 cc, urine.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
The Āyurvedic science is very perfect. But the difficulty is that until now we could not find a doctor who understood the science.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. The main difficulty is to prepare the correct medicine. Very difficult.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Now I brought medicines with me and it was very difficult.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Takes so much time also.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What did he say?
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
He said that the difficulty is to make the medicine. It takes time and…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, that’s…
Kavirāja:
[Transl. This is special for Kidney.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
It is for kidney, special.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[looking at medicine] Phew. What is it made from?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. It contains twenty-two medicinal herbs.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What is that made from? Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī has made very nice medicine for you—very, very nice. What is that from?
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. How many ingredients are there?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. It has twenty-two herbs.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Twenty-two ingredients.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Distilled.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. It is made with Distilled water.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No one will take the time anymore these days. How is it given? How is this given?
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. How, how should it be taken?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You have to take it orally. One dose. One dose is one ounce.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Drink. One dose. One, once.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Phew. This is the science. This is real medicine. It took him seven, eight hours to make this, twenty-two ingredients distilled. He has to distill the water first. Twenty-two ingredients. It’s very nice, isn’t it?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. From tomorrow give him… [indistinct]]
Bhakti-caru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda? [Transl. I give you little medicine. Please lick it.]
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Open your mouth.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give him little water.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Little water Śrīla Prabhupāda?]
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What happened?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It’s okay.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Is it like water? This medicine?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. This is distilled. It has twenty-two ingredients in it.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
This is for the kidneys?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes. Vṛkka-sañjīvanī. In our Ayurveda the kidney is called Vṛkka.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Vrik?]
Bhakti-caru:
Vṛkka. V-r-i-k-k-a. Kavirāja: [Transl. In Urdu it is called Gurdā. And in Allopath it is called kidney.]
Bhakti-caru:
The Sanskrit name for kidney is vṛkka. Kavirāja: [Transl. Vṛkka-sañjīvanayarak.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Vṛkka-sañjīvanī-aya.
Bhakti-caru:
No, sañjīvanī-araka. Araka means extract, and sañjīvanī means…
Kavirāja:
[Transl. This medicine revives a damaged Vṛkka or kidney.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What does that mean, “extractive”?
Bhakti-caru:
Yes. Extract, to revitalize the kidney. No, medicine for revitalizing the kidney. [Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, should I put off the light?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. If you want.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like a little soft kīrtana?
Prabhupāda:
No. Now let me take rest.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Take rest. Okay, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end]