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The faster his kidney starts to function, the faster his appetite will come back.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You take that powder and tie it in a piece of cloth and dip it inside milk. You take 250 gram milk, 50 gram water and that medicine and you keep boiling until the water evaporated. Then you take out the medicine and give him the milk. If you give milk with medicine like this, there will be no mucus.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay. Milk is necessary for him.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. If you notice he has little mucus then give him some Śītopalādi Chūrṇa regularly.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śītopalādi.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Śītopalādi Chūrṇa]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Did you write it down?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, You bring it separately. I will explain to Assistant Kavirāja about the condition of his health on a day to day basis. Whatever he needs to do. You need not worry about the cough, that I will control quickly. What will he get strength from?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. From food.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes, Diet. Protein Diet like curd. Curd is full of protein. If he doesn’t take anything, you at least give him barley three times a day.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He is taking liquid anyway. About one kilo of liquid is going inside.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Maximum one kilo or may be eleven hundred grams.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. As for his motion, if he doesn’t pass stool for three, four days then give him a glycerin anema.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. We usually give him water anema.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That is also okay. But by giving glycerin anema that part becomes slippery so that the stool can pass smoothly. You can take one ounce of glycerin, one ounce olive oil and water and give him. It is the gas that dries the stool and caupses constipation. And that way gradually one has the problem of constipation. He also doesn’t take enough food.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Last three, four days…]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He may not eat any grain, he may not eat grain for fifteen days, no problem. And honey…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He didn’t eat grain since six months.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. There is no harm that he did not eat grains for six month. There is milk, juice, barley.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Little bit curd we can give.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That is good. Gradually as he develops appetite, from medicine he will have appetite, so gradually as he gets appetite he will start eating. And this particular season is also favorable for increasing the fire of digestion naturally. During this time the sun supplies energy to the human beings. In summer season the energy is drained out. Therefore the energy level goes down gradually. This is a good season. This season will naturally give strength and I believe gradually all his disturbances will go away and his health will improve. So today I will make arrangement for decoction and how will I get the medicine from Calcutta? Ark from Calcutta is necessary. It is difficult. It is not available in Delhi.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Can someone bring it from there?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Can you get it by post? Parcel?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. By post not possible, because it will be in a bottle.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. explaining: To transport the medicine, someone can bring it from Calcutta here.] [If someone brings with him then it’s good.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Or the same things, if the ingredients can be gotten in Delhi or Agra, they can be prepared here?
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You can do like this, you get the ingredients from Delhi and prepare the decoction here.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
We have Prabhupāda’s car. We can go.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. It is not possible because the medicine has to be produced by bhapkā or distilling machine.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. What is bhapkā?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. By which…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. From the steam.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes. From the steam of the medicine the water is collected. It is not possible here. Distilled water.]Bhakti-caru:
He says it’s distilled. He has got to distill the medicine. For that he needs proper apparatus.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Instead of water I want to give him that. The faster his kidney starts to function, the faster his appetite will come back. Actually all the poison of the body goes out through urine. Just see his hands, here, all the salt from the body is accumulated here. Do not give him salt at all. ]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. We don’t give him salt, not at all.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Still if give him salt then, there is a salt which is produced from Punārṇava, in Allopath K-salt is used, but that salt is even better than the Allopathic K-salt. We will give him that salt later. Now there is no need to give that. When all the swelling is gone then you can give him.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today I am going to cook some Lauki sabji and in that I have to put little salt.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Would you like some salt in it?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Even if there is no salt it is okay.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. The best thing is not to have any salt. If you want to put then put little K-salt or rock salt. Which salt do you use?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. We use rock salt for him. By putting salt it becomes tasty and then perhaps he will eat little. Before also we used to give him salt, say about three months ago. At that time he was having this swelling but he was eating. Though he had swelling he used to eat little bit.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Now he has no appetite. Before he had no aversion to food. If no food goes inside the body then gradually all the muscles etc will dry up and shrink.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. It will be nice if we can give him some milk.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. As for milk, I will give some medicine to be taken with milk so that there will be no mucus. Milk, now about diet, we will gradually increase the quantity of his milk intake. We will increase the quantity of milk up to one kilo or two kilos.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Previously he used to drink about 750 grams of milk. Every day we used to give him milk three four times. About 750 grams.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. One kilo of milk he must take everday for his health. One kilo of milk is not so much.]
Bhakti-caru:
He’s saying Śrīla Prabhupāda should drink at least a kilo of milk every day.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Phew! If he personally feeds Prabhupāda, I can believe that he’ll take it.
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Mahārāja is saying if you personally feed Śrīla Prabhupādajī one kilo of milk that will be the best.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Then leave him like this for ten fifteen days and then we will take him to Māyāpur and you will have no problem.]
Bhakti-caru:
He said that for ten, fifteen days let him be like this here, and then he’ll take him to Māyāpur.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. There, there will be no problem. Slowly, slowly we will take him around, he will get back his strength and everything will be alright.]
Bhakti-caru:
And then he can take personal charge over there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So now you have to get these medicines.
Bhakti-caru:
Yes. Get the medicines, and… He wants to see the kavirāja also, because he’s going to give some instructions to him, like if in case, when he is not here, so that he can… [Transl. The point is that the local Kavirāja from here is an elderly person. He has difficulty in walking. So…]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
But that other gentleman will not…
Bhakti-caru:
No, no, not him. I’m talking about Śrī Raṅgajī’s temple there is a young kavirāja.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Any Kavirāja, the point is if he is ready to do service nicely and take whatever fee is reasonable.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. There is no question of fee.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. See, there are two things, either one’s own interest or interest of God.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Let us go to that Kavirāja who used to treat Prabhupāda before and you can talk to him personally. You can check whether he would be able to do the work.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What I mean is I want somebody to act as my representative. This is what I want. As I instruct him he should follow so that Mahārāja’s condition will get better.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay, you can talk to both of them and see which one.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Say, there is some extra treatment needed, he should be able to take care of it. The symptoms of disease change according to the condition of the patient. For example, if he gets loose motion then that should be controlled, if there is gas that should be taken care off. These disturbances may arise suddenly and they should be controlled, otherwise like that the health condition should go on steadily.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. There should not be any difficulty.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I treated one patient in Delhi. I left one assistant Kavirāja there to look after him. I used to come once a month. Now that patient has put on forteen kilos weight! The patient had twenty ulcers, peptic ulcers. Doctors told him he will not be cured and he is going to die. Now he has no more ulcers, all are cured. Everything happens by the will of the God, but the person who takes care should be…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Good.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Good. If he likes, sometimes give him raisins. Does he eat raisins?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Nowadays we don’t give him. Previously we gave him raisins by grinding it.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Oh, Like chutney.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Because at that time he had no appetite at all.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. The main point is he should get back his appetite.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That is the biggest problem.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. In the course of time his intestine has shrunk. Therefore he lost his appetite. When a person has no appetite, his bodily strength starts to reduce. When one has appetite and he starts to eat little by little, he will slowly gain strength and recover his health.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Our Vanamāli Bābu…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Will not work under anyone’s direction.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That’s why I think in Raṅgajī temple there is a Dispensary. I met with a Vaidyajī there. He is young. He also told me that if there is any service for me I will be glad to do it. So I am thinking of taking this Kavirāja to that Vaidyajī. He is also young and agile. He will act accordingly.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Why don’t you bring that Vaidyajī here?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay. Śrīla Prabhupāda.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Bring him here and talk to him.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I will bring him. Also Vaidyajī wants to go to the market. Whatever medicines he requires he wants to personally buy them.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Alright.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Want to say something more Śrīla Prabhupāda?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No. What I have to say.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Then let’s go.]*Bhakti-cāru:[Transl. Okay.]
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So in that way he was thinking to leave, but now he’s agreed to stay on for at least five or six days. We convinced him that “You stay here, and you take Prabhupāda to Māyāpur personally.” That’s what we’re pushing for. We explained how all of his patients put together multiplied by one crore cannot equal Your Divine Grace. And he agreed. He said, “That I know.” And we explained that… He was quoting from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So we explained how Your Divine Grace was the representative and incarnation of Vyāsadeva, and he accepted that. He has very high respect for Vyāsadeva and for you, because he’s seen your books. He knows that you’re not ordinary. Then he described what was wrong with you and how he’s going to be treating it. We told him that… Then I was asking him what is his native place. So he’s Marwari. Then he was telling us the native town. And I asked him if he had any charitable dispensary. He said he wouldn’t take any money. We were trying to think of different ways to… Anyway, he wouldn’t take any money. Then he said he has a… He talked about his father. His father was a very big devotee of Nṛsiṁhadeva. So one day his father plus eleven other Vaiṣṇavas went to Badarikāśrama for darśana of the Deities. And on the way… They were walking, and on the way they were attacked by these *baels.[?] They’re called baels?
Bhavānanda:
Aborigines in the north. Very ferocious.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
They’re ferocious men. So the men said that “Now we will kill you and take your money, plunder you.” So his father said, “Well, we will give you whatever we have, but what is the use of killing us?” They said, “No, we are not brāhmaṇas. We are aborigines. So we like to kill also.” So then the father said, “Then at least, the king, even if he hangs someone, he gives them five minutes for prayer. So give us five minutes.” So then all of the Vaiṣṇavas, they chanted Nṛsiṁhadeva mantras very strongly. And suddenly there was a strong roaring of a lion, and a big ferocious lion leaped into the middle and ate up two of the attackers. And then all of the Vaiṣṇavas, they bowed down at the feet of the lion and they were offering prayers, and the lion went away. So his father… He said that if one has a pure heart, if he’s a pure Vaiṣṇava, Kṛṣṇa can appear. He said in the form of the lion Kṛṣṇa actually protected them. So he wants to make some charitable dispensary in his home town on behalf of his father. I’m thinking if he cures you we will give him a nice donation towards that charitable dispensary.
Then we told him that… We asked him what kind of food does he like. So he told us, so that now we’ll make arrangement. We gave him very good food this morning, and we will cook him roṭis. Bhakti-caru and another devotee are cooking. So they will cook him fresh vegetables as he likes, according to his taste. And Adri-dhāraṇa serves him personally. And then I said also, “While you’re here, there’s much time. We can take you to the different temples.” Because this is the first time he’s come to Vṛndāvana. I said, “Even in the afternoon you can go with Prabhupāda’s car to Govardhana.” He said, “First of all, before darśana, let us do the medicine.” So he went with the car. He said, “I will drive the car. I can drive.” We said, “We have a driver.” He said, “If you don’t have a driver, I will drive to get the medicine.” So then they went into the city to get…, into Vṛndāvana to get the necessary medicines. He said very strongly, he said, “What I prescribe, no vaidya can talk over what I prescribe.” He said, “If I prescribe something, it is correct. That I’m sure.” But he is very devotional, very pakka, like a Marwari, just like a high-class Life Member. He sits very straight and he’s… Now we will have to see. But the main point we stressed is that you will not have confidence in anyone else. So there’s no point in…, that he should tell some other man that in his absence, “Do like this.” Because supposing in his absence the medicine doesn’t work right. Then the other kavirāja becomes the kavirāja. That we don’t want. So I said, “You must see the reaction of the medicines, and you must… When Prabhupāda eats, you must sit there and watch and see what he’s eating, see everything.” And he said, “That I will do.”
Another nice thing, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Remember, you initiated one devotee, Rādhā-Ramaṇa Goswami? You remember his father and mother, Joshis, from Delhi? You lived with them. So he wrote a letter to you about a week ago, saying that he wanted to come back. So I wrote him, “Yes, you come. Prabhupāda will see you.” So he came today. He’s in saffron with shaved head. So I thought afterwards he can come and… He wants to become a devotee again. He’s wasted his five years. He knows he’s wasted time. Akṣayānanda Mahārāja suggested that he can engage in helping Bhakti-prema Swami. Because Bhakti-prema, he dictates, but he needs someone to hear and to write. This way, he’ll be working for your books and hearing the philosophy, and he’s a literate person, three years in college. So anyway, he returned today. Nanda-kumāra also came. He arrived yesterday. So gradually everyone is returning to your lotus feet, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Not possible to leave you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. So would you like to go on the parikramā this morning? We can make arrangements now?
Upendra:
We have some grape juice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Would you like to take something, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Drinking?
Prabhupāda:
I have taken in the morning Horlick.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
You took Horlicks? Want to take any more?
Śatadhanya:
We have some here.
Bhavānanda:
Grape juice they prepared, if you like to take.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
It’s about ten to eleven, Śrīla Prabhupāda, about ten minutes to eleven.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
…we can go on parikramā. The weather is cool in Vṛndāvana now, even during the day. We’ll put your sunglasses on so you won’t be disturbed by the light. [indistinct background talking]
Śatadhanya:
It’s grape juice, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [Prabhupāda drinks]
Bhavānanda:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja and I went into the temple for darśana, and we were commenting how the people are so impressed by the Deities, all of the visitors, especially Rādhā-Śyāmasundara. They’re so beautifully dressed.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhavānanda Mahārāja was saying how last night you were saying that there’s nothing nicer and more fortunate than to be the pūjārī of a Deity.
[break] [discussing letter from Dr. G. Ghosh]
We’ll just get the sum and substance. He’s offering his obeisances to Bhavānanda Mahārāja and the other devotees he met here. He says he’s very anxious about your health and progress. He requests me to give him a report. He says as regards to starting of the dispensary and also organizing a health teaching center for educating the boys by the latest audio-visual methods, he said that you seemed to be very earnest about it. In fact, he says that you told him to start as soon as possible. He says but he wishes to explain some of his difficulties. So Dr. Sharma and Jagadīśa, the director of education, and… They’ve promised to go through the idea. But he didn’t find that Dr. Sharma showed much inclination for this idea. The actual thing, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is that we want him to have a dispensary. We’re not so much eager for his educational training. Naturally, Dr. Sharma was not so enthusiastic.
Prabhupāda:
No. Our is spiritual education, no medical education.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Right. That’s the point.
Prabhupāda:
Preliminary health principles, they can learn.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
And that’s already going on.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Sharma is teaching Āyurvedic, basic Āyurvedic.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yeah, anyway, that’s all right. So I’ll explain to him that what we want… I already wrote him a letter inviting him to… He can have two rooms—one for his living and one for his dispensary, and treat the inmates here. I’ll again repeat that. [break]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Light?
Rajeev Gupta:
Dr. Sharma said that you named introduction as Antar-Darśana because it gives in essence of the entire…
Prabhupāda:
Hmm?
Rajeev Gupta:
Dr. Sharma suggested that we name introduction as Antar-Darśana, because it is the essence of the entire commentary. We have summarized the entire thing into thirty pages. So I thought we can name it…
Prabhupāda:
Antar-Darśana?
Rajeev Gupta:
Yes.
Prabhupāda:
Good. Read it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Read it.
Rajeev Gupta:
[Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā is also called Gītopaniṣad. Among the whole vedic statements it is the topmost Upaniṣad. Actually it is the essence of all vedic literatures.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Okay. Good.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. It’s good.]
Prabhupāda:
*Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. [Transl. The more you become inclined to the Lord’s service, the Lord will sit on your tongue and manifest Himself.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Yes. That I am realizing. As I practice more and more…]
Prabhupāda:
sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ/ ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ. [Transl. He is not realized by the material senses. But one who is prepared to render service, the Supreme Lord appears in his tongue] Thank you very much.
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Prabhupādajī, I have strong desire that I may render service more and more. So if I get ability…]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. You will have it. Yādṛśī, [Brahma-saṁhītā 5.61] How it goes?]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. My goal is to do one book in a month.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Do it. Do it more.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Prabhupādajī, I have a strong desire that your Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta is translated into Hindi.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. That’s a good idea. It will be done. Try hard. It will be successful. And what is the first page?]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
First page. Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. In the first page, actually I have some difficulty in two, three places in the first page. In two three sentences.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, in Title page.]*Rajeev Gupta: Title. [Transl. That is now being published in Bombay. In your purport to the first verse I have some doubts in two three sentences whether I am translating it correctly or not?]
Prabhupāda:
Which śloka? Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. The introduction is named Antar darśana. In your commentary of the first śloka there is one sentence. Here it is.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Read it.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Dhṛtarāṣṭra said: O Sañjaya, after my sons and the sons of Pāṇḍu assembled in the place of pilgrimage at Kurukṣetra, desiring to fight, what did they do? Purport, Bhagavad-gītā is the widely read theistic science summarized in the Gītā-māhātmya.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. How many pages are being printed?]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Now about seventy, eighty pages have been printed.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. First chapter is completed?]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. First chapter is done. Mahārājajī, my translation is ordinary, but your commentary is incomparable. When this literature is distributed in India, it will open the eyes of the public.]
Prabhupāda:
Smiles.
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. The vision of people is covered by duplicity and cheating. This book will reveal the actual truth and open their eyes. You have presented it in a very pure way.]
Prabhupāda:
As it is.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
That’s in all languages.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It is selling like anything.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Mahārājajī, we have received an order of ten thousand copies from Fiji.]
Prabhupāda:
Really! [laughs]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Mahārājajī, Then what can be said of India? In India it will sell in Lakhs.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Fiji center says give us as many copies as you can. There, we have a big temple of Kāliyā-damana, Kṛṣṇa.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Kṛṣṇa-Kāliyā!]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now everything is established, but I have to go. This must be the desire of the Lord.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
It’s unlimited service that one can render.
Rajeev Gupta:
That’s why I become a bit discouraged sometimes, because I’m not able to do what I want to do.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hanumān-prasāda’s grandson has complained that what you have done is hundred times…]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. How many copies did Fiji order?]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Ten thousand, Mahārāja.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Our Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta is also selling very widely.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Yes Mahārāja.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Yes Mahārāja.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. The cost of one set is eight hundred rupees.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Yes Mahārāja.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. About four thousand copies have already been sold.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. That’s thirty-two lakhs.]
Prabhupāda:
Laughs.
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Mahārājajī, if it can sell in English, then it can certainly sell in Hindi.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
So you can translate also.
Rajeev Gupta:
I want. It’s his mercy, which will do. [Transl. Mahārājajī, All over the world and in India also almost all the young people have become impersonalists. Almost everyone. I spoke to many people and they don’t believe God is a person. Nobody says He is a person. They say God is a divine power.] That’s all. He is not a person.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They say I am God.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Yes. They also say so.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Especially the party of Mahesh Yogī is totally atheist.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Nonsense.
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Mahesh Yogī, Bhagavān Rajneesh]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now they are all being subdued. Now they have no importance.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Mahārājajī, It is unfortunate for India that people are not recognizing that the personification of the Lord’s power has incarnated. This is truly very unfortunate.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It is mentioned in the śāstra kṛṣṇa-śakti vinā nahe tāra pravartana, Unless empowered by Kṛṣṇa, one cannot propagate the saṅkīrtana movement.] [Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta Antya-līlā 7.11]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. But Mahārājajī, God’s power has descended in your form. This is not an ordinary thing.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Print as many books as possible and distribute them. Did you take prasāda?]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Did you get prasāda?
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Mahārājajī, Just now I came.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Give him prasāda.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Yes. You come with me, take prasādam.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This Baradrāj Prabhu…]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Baradrāj?
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. …is arranging a Doll exhibition.]
Rajeev Gupta:
[Transl. Yes. Mahārāja. Mahārājajī, I have seen the first volume of the tenth canto of your Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. How nicely you have presented it. Very nice. All the ācāryas mood is revealed there.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. The Dolls he is making are also unique. Have you seen the pictures?]
Rajeev gupta:
[Transl. Yes Mahārājaji.]*Svarūpa Dāmodara: You want to take some prasāda?Prabhupāda: Hmm. Who is this?Baradrāj: Nayanābhirāma.Prabhupāda: Hum?Baradrāj: Nayanābhirāma.Prabhupāda: [Transl. All of you go and take prasad.]Svarūpa Dāmodara: Okay.Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. All glories to Prabhupāda. [break]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Have you seen the article in the Statesman?]
Upendra:
Oh, Śrīla Prabhupāda, none of us speak Hindi. There’s no more Hindi-speaking disciples at your side just now. Baradrāj, Nayanābhirāma and myself, Upendra dāsa, are here.
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. In the Statesman there is a report.]
Upendra:
They have that article in the next room.
Nayanābhirāma:
I just cut it out.
Upendra:
And we’ll show it to Rajeev. They’ve gone to take prasādam just now.
Prabhupāda:
Oh. Just make it dark.
[sound of curtains closing] [break]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
…for getting a little more clear purposes of the Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust we’re developing at Gauḍa-maṇḍala-bhūmi. Would you like to hear what we have written?
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
“First point: To systematically propagate spiritual knowledge to the residents and the visitors of Gauḍa-maṇḍala-bhūmi.
Second point: To propagate the consciousness of Kṛṣṇa, as it is revealed in Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and to propagate that Caitanya Mahāprabhu is Lord Kṛṣṇa Himself, as is revealed in Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta and the Caitanya Bhāgavata.
3] To bring all the members of Gauḍīya-Mādhava-samprādaya together nearer to Lord Caitanya and thus develop within humanity at large that each soul is a part and parcel of Godhead* [Kṛṣṇa].
4] To teach and encourage the saṅkīrtana movement of congregational chanting of the holy names of God given in the teachings of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
5] To erect temples, schools, colleges, universities, institutes of higher studies, hospitals and other buildings with or for the advancement of the objects of the Trust and to maintain, alter and improve the same, including existing buildings, and to furnish and equip the same.
6] In keeping with the spirit of the previous ācāryas’ vision of Gauḍīya-Mādhva sampradāya, to cement relations with all the sister temples of Gauḍīya-Mādhva sampradāya under one banner, to solidify preaching the message of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, as desired by His Divine Grace Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Prabhupāda and Śrīla Ṭhākura Bhaktivinoda and all the previous ācāryas in this line.
7] With a view to achieving the aforementioned purposes and to publish and distribute periodicals, magazines, and other books and other items.
8] To do all such other things for the attainment of the objects of the Trust.
9] Trustee members are appointed lifetime. The numbers should always be seven.
10] A meeting once a year at Śrīdhāma Māyāpur during Gaura-Pūrṇimā.
11] There should be a chairman, a treasurer and a secretary, who are elected each year.
12] A quorum of at least five members.” Finishes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So these are the points, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that we have… We expanded this. Your original simple point was to form a Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity for developing Gauḍa-maṇḍala-bhūmi. So we have expanded it into these points if they please Your Divine Grace. We took the ideas mostly from your original points in the…, when you formed the New York corporation, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We used those points and just changed them around a little bit. Today that Jagadish, I forget his name, that lawyer from Mathurā, he is coming, so I’m going to be meeting with him, and I’ll give him these points and see if he can draft a document, proper document. I’d like to get a document done in time so that when we go to Māyāpur, and especially at Gaura-Pūrṇimā, we can have the first meeting. [break]
Bhavānanda:
…mantras nonstop, always chanting while he’s preparing. [break]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[answering Prabhupāda’s query] Where is Vrindavan? I spoke with him for about two hours this afternoon, going over all of the points again, and, er, I explained everything to him. He said that he’s a very…, he personally has very bad luck, very unlucky person. He said, “My only possible hope is my father.”
Prabhupāda:
To guide him.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. I told him, “You’re right. Actually, Prabhupāda is… All of us were in the same position. We’re all unlucky. Our only hope is Śrīla Prabhupāda.” I said, “As long as you keep remembering that, then you’ll be all right.” [break]
Prabhupāda:
Hmm. Submissive, we can guide him.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He said he’s very frightened of you. I told him that we also are. [laughter] I said, “Even though Prabhupāda is lying in bed ill, we are very frightened also.”
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
That’s a fact. [break]
Prabhupāda:
You are doing?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break]
Pañcadraviḍa:
We are very much fortunate that after so many millions of lifetimes in the material world we have finally met a qualified spiritual master.
Prabhupāda:
For fifty years they could not construct a maṇḍapa in Gauḍa-maṇḍala. [break]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust, or Charitable Trust? Which do you prefer, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda:
That I do not know. You…
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Śrīla Prabhupāda said… [break]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He stays in the governor’s room, room number 31. We gave him nice prasādam. [Prabhupāda coughs up mucus] Is the kavirāja here right now, Śatadhanya Mahārāja? Is he?
Śatadhanya:
He was mixing medicines a little while ago.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Would you like to see him, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda:
Now, not necessary.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Okay. [break] …appreciative of Your Divine Grace and of ISKCON. Adri-dhāraṇa reports that while they were traveling together, during the ten hours they were discussing your Society’s activities around the world. And the…, Shastrijī was saying how the effect of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so transcendental that even if a person is mleccha-yavana, he can become a pure devotee by chanting of the holy name. And he said therefore he feels that the work which you are doing is the most important work being done by anyone in the whole world. He’s very favorable towards you and towards ISKCON and the devotees.
[break] …has to admit that, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that your work is the topmost of anyone on this planet. [break]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Me?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No me.]
Kaviraja:
[Transl. Sleeping? Sleeping is good. If you sleep that is good. Did he pass some more urine today?]
Bhakti caru:
[Transl. Urine was 290.]
Kaviraja:
[Transl. 290. How much was yesterday? Did you eat something today Maharaja?]
Bhakti caru:
[Transl. This morning 140 grams of grapes juice, 10 grams of Lauki sabji and along with some solid…]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Little, little. Very little.]
Kaviraja:
[Transl. How much urine did he pass yesterday?]
Bhakti caru:
[Transl. Yesterday 325.]
Kaviraja:
[Transl. 325. How much today?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today 290. Just now he passed 90.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. So you gave him one dose of medicine no?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes. One dose.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Are you feeling comfortable?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You are comfortable? There is no disturbance in the mind?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, nothing like that.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Let me see your tongue.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Want a torch?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You ate Lauki sabji today, how was the taste?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I felt little taste.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Little. Did you feel like eating?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes, Very little.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Keep taking little bit of food every day.]
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. This illness of yours is such that it kills your appetite. So little by little, from today your medicine has started, you will have appetite. I am sure you will pass more urine tomorrow. And if you pass more urine, all these swellings etc will go away. The packet medicine you give along with the decoction. You take medicines regularly. If you take medicines properly, you will get cured.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I will take.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Now I will give medicine for four days. Not more.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Four times okay.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. And at night, does he get sound sleep?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He doesn’t sleep at night.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Doesn’t sleep at night.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. From twelve midnight to four in the morning, that is his old habit.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Remains awake?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, During that time he used to translate.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What about now? Now he worships the Lord while lying down.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. For sleeping I will do like this, I will add jaṭāmāṁsi in his decoction at night. That will help him in sleeping. The more he sleeps the more energy he will gain. And that will be good for him. From tomorrow we must arrange for him to take barley.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Certainly.]
Bhakti-caru:
He’s saying that the more Śrīla Prabhupāda sleeps, it’s better for him.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Really. He’s sleeping a lot. Today you were sleeping a lot, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
The morning also.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. I have prepared that dry powder, in the day time you smear it here in the legs…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Wherever there is swelling.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. …and also wherever there is swelling. Also at the bottom of the feet you apply. We can do like this, can you get cow urine here?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yes, you can get.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. We can also apply cow urine so that the swelling will reduce in three, four days. Other medicines you give as usual.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Today we can also apply Śuṣkamūlādi oil to him.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That is good. Apply Śuṣkamūlādi oil at night and during the day apply cow urine and then smear the powder. Smearing is not recommended at night. It is prohibited. Everything will be alright.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay. Smearing at daytime and oiling at night time.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. How is your taste now Mahārāja?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It is neutral now.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Neutral. You don’t feel bitterness or some kind of coating in the mouth?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, how did you like the Lauki sabji today?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Good.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Little good.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. But he ate very little.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Let him take little by little.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He only took three spoonfuls.
Bhakti-caru:
That also not fully; only half.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Within a week his power of digestion will increase. Why do we give him barley water? Because, that way grain will go inside his body and come out in the form of urine.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda, did you have any problem with the stool today? There was not so much passing, I think.
Bhakti-caru:
Not at all today.
Prabhupāda:
Stool? No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So that problem has cleared up. It was that medicine. That medicine, that makara-dhvaja.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Once your sickness is cured I will bring back your strength very quickly. You understand?]
Prabhupāda:
Okay.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. After two weeks you will get back your full strength. Only your sickness has to be cured. I have varieties of good medicines. The medicine that I gave you today contains pearl. Muktāpishti. If this medicine you take two times a day, your power will increase and you will get strength. When did he pass stool?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He didn’t pass stool today.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Didn’t pass yesterday.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Yesterday morning he passed but it was very little.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Naturally?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Naturally. Before that he passed a good amount of stool for two days.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Passed so much?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Say 200 or 250 grams. I think because he took that medicine.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Which medicine?]
Bhakti-cāru & Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Makara-dhvaja.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That created heat in his stomach.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He passed so much.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That should not have happened. śukrāyatvaṁ balaṁ puṁsāṁ malayatvaṁ jīvanaṁ. In this condition life depends on passing of stool. There is no harm if he doesn’t pass one day.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. When he doesn’t pass stool for two, three days then we give him enema.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. With decoction he will have clear motion every day. And if he passes regularly then his swelling in the intestine will reduce and the particles of old stool will also come out. And when the intestine is empty and it starts to function then he will feel hungry. Now his intestine is not working properly. Do you pass wind from the bottom? Pass air?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Little, little.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That’s good. He has no other disturbance.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Like that he has no problem.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He is peaceful. In spite of difficulty.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. From outside we cannot make out if he has any difficulty.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Doesn’t look like he is sick. Your body is pure Mahārāja. Your life is very righteous.]
Prabhupāda:
[chuckles]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes, I am telling the truth. There is no kind of disturbance in the body. It is the will of the Supreme Lord that you stay some more time in this world and render service. Your service is service to the Lord for His pleasure.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes, That is true.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. From tomorrow start giving barley to him.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Actually I made some Horlicks for him, I told you no? So I did not give him barley as yet. He did not drink it anyway. I brought it.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Didn’t take Horlicks?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No, He was sleeping. So I thought you will give medicine, now can I give after your medicine?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Okay give.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. How long after the medicine?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. About fifteen, twenty minutes.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I will give some barley along with it.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No. You start from tomorrow morning. No barley tonight. You start in the morning and then you can give at night also. What about his thirst?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Thirst, he doesn’t drink water at all. Very little. About drinking…]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Fruit juice?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I don’t feel thirsty.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He doesn’t feel thirsty. I heard that to not have thirst is a good symptom.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Why is it that Prabhupāda has no thirst?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What does he say?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He says, Why Prabhupādajī has no thirst?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. To feel very thirsty is not good.]
Bhakti-caru:
He says it’s not good to have too much thirst. It’s better in this condition.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. He doesn’t eat anything, how will he have thirst?]
Bhakti-cāru:
He’s not eating anything.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Having thirst is a disease. When the bile secretion increases one becomes thirsty. That is normal. His bile tendency is normal.]
Bhakti-cāru:
He says that to have the thirst is a kind of disease when the bile secretion increases.
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Okay, let me see the stomach condition. How is it?]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
He wants to see his stomach.
Kavirāja:
No wind. [Transl. No air.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No air.]
[indistinct background discussion by devotees about fetching oil] [break]
Prabhupāda:
The assistant? [Transl. Who is assistant?]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. What did you say?]
Prabhupāda:
The assistant? Somebody is appointed assistant.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. Adri-dhāraṇa is doing all assisting and serving to him—Adri-dhāraṇa.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
The boy from Calcutta.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
The boy who brought him.
Prabhupāda:
No, Raṅganātha temple, somebody?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Oh. Not yet, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We’re not getting into that, because hopefully we want him to stay for some time.
Prabhupāda:
He has agreed.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He’s agreed to stay for some time.
Prabhupāda:
No, that assistant.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, we haven’t approached anyone yet.
Bhakti-caru:
No, he has come.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Oh, you did approach?
Bhakti-caru:
Yes. Like, he just wanted to consult him. Consult him in the sense… At the first place he had to discuss about certain preparations, and he didn’t have the books with him, so he wanted to see the books, so I took him there. And then he liked him, talking to him, and he says he’s a very efficient person. So he wanted him to come tomorrow, so like when he is not here…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
How long he will stay here for?
Bhakti-caru:
Four or five days he agreed to stay. But he says that in four or five days Śrīla Prabhupāda won’t be able to travel. It will be at least ten to fifteen days. At that time…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Anyway, let us see. Maybe we can convince him to stay.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
A bit longer.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
We should try. Śrīla Prabhupāda? I had meeting with that lawyer? That man is wonderful. He is the first lawyer I have ever met that I honestly feel is an honest man. That Jagadish…
Prabhupāda:
Agarwal.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Is that his name? Agarwal? From Mathurā. Phew! Very high class man, thoroughly gentleman.
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
Noble-minded.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
We met. Svarūpa Dāmodara and I spent an hour at Bhagatjī’s house. Bhagatjī brought him. So he’s going to do that Trust. He says in three or four days’ time he can finish it, Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust, with the aims and objects we have given. Then I talked about that squandering amendment. So he explained that the best way to do it is that we amend it to say that they always get 250 rupees for their maintenance, and the other 750 rupees, instead of fixing it in their names, fix it in the name of ISKCON, and ISKCON executors of the will shall see that they give them the money at the time of seven years for the purposes of three: purchasing property, business, and for buying government stocks. And the profits from those, they can do anything they want with. He said don’t let them put the 750 rupees in their name, because then they can do anything they want with it, squander it. But if you put the money in fixed deposit in ISKCON’s name, then ISKCON can give them the money after seven years, for those three purposes. So if you approve, then he can make an amendment clause, and then you can sign it, and then it can be done. He understood everything very perfectly. He said actually… He understood it perfectly. Actually, because everything belongs to ISKCON, the whole will is more or less a moral, spiritual guidance, because legally everything is already ISKCON’s. So I said, “But we want it to be morally and guided spiritually. To us, this is the will. Whatever this will says, we must follow, as Prabhupāda’s disciples.” He said, “Then I can make an amendment, which would be like that, that every month they’ll get 250 rupees for their whole lifetime, and the 750 rupees will be put in fixed deposit for seven years in the name of ISKCON, and at the end of that, the ISKCON executors of the will, will give them each the money each month, fifteen hundred rupees, for the purpose of…, in those three ways, and that the money should not be squandered.” He said that way, if ISKCON sees that the money is being squandered, then they stop giving them that money and they’ll just give 250 rupees. Two hundred fifty rupees they must get. And Radharani De, she may get always one thousand rupees. She is older. Let her have that. Whatever she does is her business with the money. And, I think, this is a very good way. And we’ll all make sure that they get the money, but they must use it properly. It’s Kṛṣṇa’s money.
Prabhupāda:
And they’ll remain in that house lifetime.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. It’s a very good house. I spoke to him. I said, “Have you made any friends in that house?” He said, “Oh, they’re all…” He called them lakhi-pati and crore-pati. [Prabhupāda laughs] I said, “So it’s very good house. Such big people are living there.”
Prabhupāda:
Who said lakhi….
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Vrindavan. He was saying that they’re all big people living there. So I said, “That’s good. It means a high-class place. You don’t move out of there.” He said, “It is a good place.”
Prabhupāda:
Very first class place.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
It is first class. There’s no doubt about it. I also got him a plane ticket. I sent a man to Delhi today, and we got the reservation. So he’ll be leaving Vṛndāvana tomorrow morning at about 9:30, 9:00-9:30. So I told him that he should come and see you. He’ll come in the morning to see you. He was… A couple of time you were sleeping today, so he could not come. Otherwise he was wanting to come.
Prabhupāda:
So you guide him with his…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Oh, yes. I told him that you want me to help him in every way, and that there’s no doubt we will do that in every way.
Prabhupāda:
So about that traveling?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Travel expenses… I talked to him, and I explained to him that he’s taken ten thousand rupees for traveling expenses and twenty-five thousand rupees books, thirty-five thousand rupees, and he’s paid six thousand rupees in two years. I said, “This is not good business.” So he said, “Then stop the traveling money.” I said, “I’ll stop it temporarily. You start paying some money, then again we can give you the money.” I said, “We want to give you the money, but do some business first.” So he said, “All right.”
Prabhupāda:
Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, he’s pretty pleased to get this big amount now for making this contract. This is a big amount that he got, half a lakh nearly. From this, he can make more profit, and then he’ll pay it back by April, and then we’ll give him nine thousand rupees free, donation. Each of them gets nine thousand rupees as per your original scheme. So they are being looked to nicely. Actually, there’s no difficulty. They have very few expenses. [break]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give from here.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. It is convenient from here Śrīla Prabhupāda?]
Kavirāja:
oṁ yā auṣadhi purvā jātā devebhyo purā manai svataṁ dhāma niśabda ca/ vāsudeva sankarṣaṇa pradyumnaśca aniruddhaka sarvān bhogān avaghanantu viṣṇu nārāyaṇo harih [Transl. was it warm? Give some more water.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It was bitter.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That’s enough. That much water is okay. Give sugar candy water separately. Mouth is still bitter? It is bitter.]
Bhakti-caru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda? [Transl. Prabhupāda drink something] [Little more.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Is it water?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. No, this is sugar candy water. Should I give some more sugar candy water?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Plain water? Okay.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. From tomorrow you mix a big spoon full of honey with this so that it will not taste bitter.]
[Prabhupāda drinks more medicine]
Bhakti-caru:
Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give less water.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. So after fifteen, twenty minutes I will give him Horlicks?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. After half an hour.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, He is telling to give you some Horlicks after half an hour.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Did you go on parikramā today?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Very good.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Did you get the roots you went to bring?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Punārṇava* roots. You know Bhagatjī, he said he will bring tomorrow.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. It was late at night so I could not…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I also thought so. Only Punārṇava roots?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. And mākoi.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Oh, Mākoi. Mākoi will be available.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. These two things we will give at noon and at night. With this I believe within one week the swelling will go down. Now your medicines will go on stage by stage.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Because, your body is such that even if takes a few days longer to heal, there is no hurry.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No.]
Bhakti cāru:
[Transl. What should be given in the morning?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. To him?]
Bhakti cāru:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. What do you give him?]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. In the morning I give fruit juice. But today I gave Horlicks.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give him Horlicks in the morning.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Should I give with little milk?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Give with barley.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. With barley, okay. No milk at all.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Horlicks is milk only. What else?]
Bhakti cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Horlicks is milk. Today I have made that powder to be given along with the milk so that he will not have any gas or cough. Let us control these two things first. Mucus creates blockage in the lungs, and thus the lungs cannot breath oxygen properly. This is counted as weakness of the lungs. Lungs effect blood circulation all over the body eighteen times in a minute. It takes from the heart and gives to the heart eighteen times in a minute. His right lung is little weak. I have given medicine. I have given calcium. I think within twenty, twenty- five days, his lungs, position of his kidney, once the correct medicine is given, everything will improve and cure. Today I gave him medicine mixed with pearl which I brought with me. Had he not have kidney problem, I would have started Makara-dhvaja. Within three days he would have noticed the effect. Now I cannot give Makara-dhvaja because it will create heat in his stomach and the urine will stop. According to his condition if he passes urine 50cc today, tomorrow should be 60cc, day after tomorrow should be 70cc like that. That means that will show his kidney is functioning properly.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. When he passed urine today last at about 8.30, it was very thick. It was not clear.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. It was not clear. Color I think was yellow.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Color was yellow, but because it was thick it looked like whiteish like milk.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No. The urine color will gradually become clear.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Clear.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes, also as we start the ark the quantity of urine will increase. And as soon as the quantity of urine increases…]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. The swelling will reduce.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. … as I gave him medicine to get appetite, he will start eating, his liver will start functioning, his intestines will work and his kidney will fuction. Then everything will be alright. You give him one spoon of honey every day. It keeps the heart strong.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Can I give honey with the number one medicine?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. No, that you give with water. If he has problem then either water or sugar candy powder.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I have sugar candy water.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Mix with sugar candy powder and give the medicine.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see. Sugar candy powder and medicine together.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You have the decoction, you give that with the medicine number one.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. With medicine number two?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. With medicine number two you give punārṇa root juice and mākoi. This you give at day time and at night you give ark.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That means when I give the first medicine in the morning…]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You give it with decoction. You can increase the quantity of decoction a bit. More than what you gave today.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. 250 grams water.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Water I have already put, medicines I am going to put now. You boil it in a clay pot tomorrow. Or you can boil it in this container also. Tomorrow you can order a clay pot. After boiling you let it cool down. Then you add honey. Honey should be used cool. Honey should never be heated. If somebody comes from the sunshine, you give him honey, he will immediately fall unconscious.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Honey and ghee are both nectar. In equal quantity it is poison.]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Should the honey be old or new honey?
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. How should the honey be? Fresh, or…]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes, fresh. Honey should be fresh and thin. Get a small bottle.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. The honey we are using now is from the jungles of Kumayun. Many herbs are available in that Himālayan range.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. That is very good. Mahārāja, if you want you may take some Anise seeds. Your mouth must be bitter now. Is your mouth bitter?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Not so much.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. If you like take cardamom or anise seed. Anything you like you can take. Our great sages have used the best quality ingredients. For example, cow urine, if this is used in the best possible way it can cure liver cancer. It cures Jaundice, it reduced liver swelling and cures cough. The Pañcagavya ghee that we use, that is the best medicine for brain. If somebody suffers from mental disorder, you give him two kilos of pañcagavya ghee he will be cured. When one has pox and it becomes septic because of any reason you smear powder of dry cow dung cake, it will go away in three days. Cow dung is so powerful. Sometimes there might be pus in the kidney, which is a kind of disease, then we prescribe one māṣā of cow dung cake ash daily. And within ten days this medication takes out all the pus. No other medicine works in such a case. Cow, gifted by God is a very wonderful wealth. For honey you see, if you keep something in the fridge it will stay good for twenty-four hours, but if you keep it inside honey it will remain alright for six months. Honey is the best medicine for paralysis. It is also the best medicine to put on weight and to lose weight. If you take honey with water you will gain weight. And if you take it with milk you will lose weight. A person who daily takes ten grams of honey will never have any heart disease. It should be taken daily on an empty stomach.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I see. I give him honey regularly.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. In Ayurveda for constipation we give medicine to be taken with honey and for loose motion we give medicine to be taken with honey. It will work in whichever direction you want to use it. Honey, ghee, oil, mercury, iron and śilājit, any Vaidya can use these things in any medicine it will work.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. This śāstra is simply…]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Look, there is no śāstra equal to Ayurveda. I consider Allopath as a child. I can still study Ayurveda for ten years if there is any competent person to teach me. It is a great and confidential science. Each and every medicine, if good quality medicine and if the patient takes it according to the direction, works wonderfully. There is no medicine like Ayurvedic medicine.]
Svarūpa Dāmodara:
[Transl. Is mercury poison?]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. See, for one whose liver and kidney are not functioning properly, mercury is poison for him. It is not poison for everyone. In our Ayurveda, except kindney medicine, there is no medicine in which mercury is not used. Mercury is in every medicine except kidney patient. No matter how tired you are, if you sleep for two hours you will become totally fresh when you get up. That is natural.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. If one has sound sleep at night that is the best.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. From tomorrow I will arrange for his sleep also. I will add Jaṭāmānsi in his decoction and he will have six hours of sound sleep.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Jaṭāmānsi.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Yes, Jaṭāmānsi. Let him take rest.] [break]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. You start to move around, that will be very nice. The swelling will go away, you start to eat and slowly gain some strength. Then I will take you with me.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I had a small bhapkā. Which I sold to Sukha sancāra company.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Small is also good. You can easily make four, five bottles in it.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. There is no problem to get a bhapkā.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Then let us get one. Why bring? We soak the medicines tomorrow and prepare it day after tomorrow. That will be good and reliable.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I sold it to Sukha sancara Company. Small one. Bhapkā.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. For how much water? 5 kilos?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, more.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Then it’s good. That’s how much we need ten, twelve bottles. Tomorrow we will find out from Sukha sancāra Company. Is it in Mathura?]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Okay.Tomorrow we will look for it. We will bring even if it costs some extra.]
Prabhupāda:
[Transl. It is available in the shop also.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. Available, because it is made of copper it will be very costly. What is the use of spending two hundred rupees unnecessarily? We don’t require it all the time. Tomorrow that Vaidyajī will come, I met him today. He is a nice person. I told him to come tomorrow morning. We were talking about bhapkā to distill ark. Is it no? Otherwise we will distill here.]
Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. He may have one or he can arrange one. If he doesn’t have of his own, then he can arrange one for us.]
Kavirāja:
[Transl. So tomorrow we will do like that and by day after romorrow we will have it.] [break]
[indistinct background talking among devotees]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[offers obeisances] Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda:
I think whatever money you give Vrindavan for business, he’ll spoil. He has already spoiled. They are getting, altogether, about two thousand rupees, even without any business—his mother one thousand, and they four, 250 each. So let them chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and eat and sleep. That’s all. He has already spoiled.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes.
Prabhupāda:
You can call him; I shall tell him.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
I mean, that’s also my opinion.
Prabhupāda:
Huh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
I fully agree with you. The fact of the matter is, Śrīla Prabhupāda, he has no head for business.
Prabhupāda:
No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Anything he does, he’s going to lose the money.
Prabhupāda:
Yes, that’s all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
I know that also.
Prabhupāda:
And his assistant is looting him.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. He thinks this assistant is his greatest friend. Just like he’s leaving on a plane. He’s going to arrive Monday morning by eight o’clock in the morning, yet he feels he has to send a telegram to his assistant on a Sunday. I said, “What is the point of sending a telegram? The telegram will reach after you arrive. And even if it doesn’t, what is the purpose of sending a telegram?”
Prabhupāda:
No, no, he has no business brain. He should not be given a farthing. That is my conclusion. And the postal, they should be given to the respective…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
As previously planned.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. You can call him. I shall tell him.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. I’ll just send someone. [whispers to devotee aside to get Vrindavan] Practically speaking, when I talk with him, with Vrindavan, I can only think in terms of a charity case, because when I talk to him about business, it’s like talking to a young child. He doesn’t grasp. I have to tell him the same thing ten times in a row. It’s not that he doesn’t understand English. He understands English quite all right. But he can’t grasp simple business ideas. He’s very… He just doesn’t have it within him. They should be devotees.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. [end]