Lecture

[Very Poor Recording]

Prabhupāda:
So you [indistinct]…

Dr. Gopal:
Except weakness, do you feel more?

Prabhupāda:
Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Except for weakness, do you have any other complaints, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
No desire for eating.

Dr. Gopal:
Is there any cough?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Hmm?

Dr. Gopal:
Is there any cough?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, no cough.

Dr. Gopal:
No cough.Mucus?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Mucus? No, no. Is there any mucus?

Prabhupāda:
Purified.

Dr. Gopal:
No mucus, just some symptoms. Did you have clear motion today, yesterday?

Prabhupāda:
I think…

Bhavānanda:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, he is saying, Dr. Gopal, that you have moved your bowels…

Prabhupāda:
Hmm.

Bhavānanda:
[indistinct]

Dr. Gopal:
I see. If your bowels are moving very well these days [indistinct], so that [indistinct] problem [indistinct] [pause] …the amount of urine…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[indistinct] the amount of liquid intake [indistinct].

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] …the amount of urine, if it is more than 700, he will suffer…

Bhavānanda:
…more than 700?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So how much does [indistinct] usually have 700cc’s.

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] I will find out and in that way I’ll know better [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Four hundred.

Dr. Gopal:
Four hundred, hmm. Could you pass me [indistinct] or more [indistinct]? This is the clear [indistinct] or [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
How is the color today?

Bhavānanda:
Slightly cloudy.

Dr. Gopal:
Slightly cloudy but not much cloudy because, ahm, much improvement…

Bhavānanda:
Much improvement. Much improvement!

Dr. Gopal:
I think that I [indistinct] …I say …that eh, this is [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Did you hear any of that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

All:
[laugh]

Prabhupāda:
Very enjoyable[?]

Dr. Gopal:
Because I want that. Ah, you are feeling at the moment a few [indistinct]. I was maybe wrong, but afterwards I suppose [indistinct] you have not oral food so that [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[indistinct]

Dr. Gopal:
Best [indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Hmm.

Dr. Gopal:
And, eh, simply taking a [indistinct] give him some [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
[indistinct]

Bhavānanda:
Yes, [indistinct] with all of the juices we have been putting glucose. Śrīla Prabhupāda, Dr. Gopal …

Dr. Gopal:
I am of the opinion that don’t [indistinct] affects mucus [indistinct] glucose. You don’t want to give sugar, because by giving him glucose it will cause more gas organization.

Prabhupāda:
[Bengali]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda asked what about miśri?

Bhavānanda:
Miśri dahi[?].

Dr. Gopal:
This is very good [indistinct]. Miśri he can have, the sugar he can have. Ordinary sugar can have, because the sugar has glucose.

Prabhupāda:
Miśri water, I want.

Dr. Gopal:
Miśri water [indistinct].

Bhavānanda:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, we have spoken with Dr. Gopal. He also, like all of the other doctors, and like yourself and all of your disciples, he says that you should take milk. However, he has suggested that you take ice cream and ice cold milk. He said that will… And cold cream, he said. Dr. Gopal said that will…, that will reduce the nausea.

Dr. Gopal:
By taking these four things you will not have this feeling of nausea, vomiting and mucus if you had [indistinct].

Prabhupāda:
Hmm. I’m taking…

Dr. Gopal:
And secondly, don’t take much of [fruit] juices [indistinct] …because it will produce [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What about, eh…

Others:
Pomegranate…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Pomegranate?

Dr. Gopal:
Pomegranate, this you can give.

Bhavānanda:
But no mosambi or sweet, lemon and citrus.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What about sweet lime?

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] at the moment we are trying to utilize for the…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What about grape juice?

Dr. Gopal:
Grape juice?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Grape juice is all right, and pomegranate juice is all right.

Bhavānanda:
Dr. Gopal, what about mucus which…

Dr. Gopal:
Mucus [indistinct]. For one who is rendered diseased, mucus is [indistinct], and one who is suffering from [indistinct], it is coming from the bowel. Because a bowel, the function, one of the functions is to form mucus, so that as other parts of the body. The eyes, they have tears, [indistinct], the mouth, parallel whether the function moves properly. The urine, for example [indistinct], there should not be any [indistinct]. In the same way the bowels [indistinct], it is something which creates mucus. So that the mucus is coming normally without any [indistinct].

Bhavānanda:
Call you?

Dr. Gopal:
Secondly, [indistinct] but I have already [indistinct]. I think, though, the cough must be less than you were telling me two or three days back?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
You’re not getting much cough now, Śrīla Prabhupāda. The doctor says it’s because of the syrup he is giving.

Upendra:
[indistinct] just the immediate result of giving milk and some syrup… [indistinct] cough.

Dr. Gopal:
That is you can have a gargle. I told you on that day also that you can have Listerine gargles. Listerine you can have, put in a cup of water and he can have gargles with that, and rinse his mouth…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yeah, we can give that with water?

Devotee:
[indistinct] Prabhupāda said that after bath [indistinct] and after one hour [indistinct] mucus…

Dr. Gopal:
That’s right, I said on that day also that he can have a plain steamed inhalation, but I think that the steam [indistinct]. …and whatever cough and mucus is there, without any aversion.

Devotee:
[indistinct] When the mucus comes out [indistinct].

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] the cause is mucus [indistinct] comes out with great difficulty. When he will have steamed inhalation, then it will come out very easily [indistinct]. Then he will not have any difficulty or any [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, and if he does get a cough again the easiest way to get it out very easily is the steamed inhalation.

Devotee:
[indistinct]

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda likes that.

Bhavānanda:
And the restlessness?

Dr. Gopal:
Restlessness, I think…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What about that restlessness at night?

Dr. Gopal:
He is very much restless?

Bhavānanda:
It comes at night. During the day he is always able to rest, but in the evening…

Dr. Gopal:
At the moment he has only got a little amount of blood as far as I know.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda, maybe you’re not sleeping at night because you always used to stay up and translate. [laughter]

Devotee:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He was never sleeping at night. Maybe he still remembers that.

Dr. Gopal:
I see. I don’t want to be… [indistinct discussion follows with Tamāla Kṛṣṇa]

Prabhupāda:
Bhavānanda?

Bhavānanda:
Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
Did you get the kavirāja [indistinct] medicine?

Bhavānanda:
No, Śrīla Prabhupāda [indistinct]. [indistinct discussion follows]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, no. That was eight months ago.

Dr. Gopal:
Only a drop of blood, not much. [indistinct discussion follows then long pause as the doctor is doing something]

Bhavānanda:
How many times do you do this? [indistinct discussion follows]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, the doctor says that these exercises would be good for getting the muscles more stronger. [indistinct] …a little movement.

Bhavānanda:
If you don’t do some little exercise like this, then how will you be able to walk for darśana of Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma? [laughs] [indistinct discussion follows]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Rādhā-Rāsabihārī āratik, separation…

All:
[laugh]

[indistinct discussion follows]

Bhavānanda:
Dr. Gopal [indistinct] good for itching back.

Dr. Gopal:
For that you can apply…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Poultice[?]. [indistinct discussion follows]

Dr. Gopal:
…and this gargling helps the bowels [indistinct]. [indistinct discussion follows]

Bhavānanda:
And are there any other solid foods that you would recommend that he should take?

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] [indistinct discussion follows]

Bhavānanda:
Still, Dr. Gopal, Prabhupāda becomes vomiting, as Tamāla[?] explained. Prabhupāda has to take? [indistinct]

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] still more [indistinct] liver…

Bhavānanda:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, Dr. Gopal says that because you are only taking liquid, therefore it is causing some nausea, and if you take some solid, like this dalia[?], or a capātī soaked in milk…

Dr. Gopal:
Can he take potatoes?

Others:
Yes. Oh, yes.

Dr. Gopal:
Cooked potatoes, mashed potatoes. [indistinct discussion follows] I don’t like fried things.

Prabhupāda:
Boiled?

Dr. Gopal:
Ah, boiled or mashed. [indistinct] …or boiled potatoes.

Bhavānanda:
[indistinct, laughs] And ice cream, ice cream and ice cold milk. Ice cold Complan…

Dr. Gopal:
Complan or…

Bhavānanda:
All cold.

Dr. Gopal:
Put in it [indistinct].

Bhavānanda:
…for reducing, that will be, mucus will be reduced. If this is applied, is that correct? What is the purpose of taking it cold?

Dr. Gopal:
[indistinct] …cold… [indistinct]. Any more questions?

Bhavānanda:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, do you have any questions or anything you would like to know from Dr. Gopal?

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
I think he may have gotten something for getting rid of a cold [indistinct].

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Dr. Ghosh?

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That is a good idea.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Well, first of all, Dr. Ghosh has not yet established his dispensary, so he won’t be able to give any help to anybody until he gets his dispensary set up. And the second point is that for common colds and other things, this kavirāja seems to be very expert. But your condition is not a simple cold. In fact, we have tried to use this kavirāja for six months, five months, to no avail. So when someone has a cold, then maybe it is kavirāja who can manage to work in very difficult cases. Not that it doesn’t seem to be very effective. In any case, if Dr. Ghosh would set up his dispensary as an institute, then I don’t think anyone would want to go to the kavirāja. Because as Westerners, we have found that the allopathic medicines act a little bit more quickly, and very often these Āyur-vedic medicines, they are not potent enough, or they are not prescribed properly and they don’t work always very properly. Erm, this change of the weather suddenly, warm in the day and cold at night, a couple of the devotees have caught a little cold. In any case, for a difficult case, then Dr. Gopal is there.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, he could, but they have chosen to go through the kavirāja. I don’t know why, because if I had a cold I would go to Dr. Gopal. I wouldn’t waste my time going through the kavirāja. Because I’ve seen that in dealing with you. Although I would like to learn much, and he seems like a nice devotee, I haven’t seen any improvement in his condition, and he has been…, not even I got any improvement when I went for that [indistinct] in Calcutta. Simply I got my money taken. But at least with this Dr. Gopal, so far we notice that nothing very bad is happening, and in fact if anything, you are able to increase your intake of foodstuffs. Well, about four or five days ago you were taking about the equal of one glass or cup of liquid. Now you’re taking the equivalent of about four cups. You’ve increased by four times what you were taking previously.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda, everyone passes stool every day. In fact, I was thinking…

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
I was thinking that because you were not passing stool for so many months properly, maybe once every five days, four days. So you’re not accustomed to passing stool in a regular way, natural way. I don’t think that we should take it that this is such a serious difficulty. It might be a slight inconvenience, but that will be passed over. When you’re… Just like… Just like anything that when done, there must be ways with the good effects and the bad effects. So in some things there may be some slight bad effect, just like a botheration. But if one gets cured, then that is the main thing. So we are trying to see how to cure you, and if in doing so you may pass a little extra stool, that should not be taken as so important that it does away with the cure.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
The *kavirāja’*s medicine, it stopped the passing of stool?

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
I don’t think anyone [indistinct]. As far as I know, people were going to the kavirāja for the purpose of their own needs. Bhavānanda Mahārāja sometimes gets a little congestion due to the air here, and Girirāja had a cold…

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct] Bombay.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, he will be going back in about two days’ time.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, actually we have all been discussing. When I just walked in the room, Pañcadraviḍa Mahārāja was making as… He was looking a little better today. And actually [indistinct], as you yourself said, “At least I am not feeling any worse or weaker.” Is that fact, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda said, “What is weaker than a dead body?”…

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Actually, [indistinct] your [indistinct], Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
It is the sign of a great yogī.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Oh, we should add some, ah, flesh to the bone. And the way to do that is by taking regularly some nourishing drink. Then you won’t be bones anymore.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
If you take something solid, then the stool business will stop. Anyone here who drinks only liquids will pass stool all the time. Anyone. That is natural. But if you take a little bit of something solid, or binding, then you won’t pass stool.

Prabhupāda:
[thick, heavy cough] [indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That was Dr. Gopal’s reasoning, that anybody drinking liquid only, he will pass stool more. So I think you should try to take something solid.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
The only things that have to be taken, Dr. Gopal was discussing.

Devotee:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Well make a few things up…

Devotee:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Smashed potato.

Devotee:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Smash it.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
In the meantime, you can take a little pomegranate juice, and then by the time everything gets ready we will make a few things. A little custard also would be good. And some smashed potato. A few things, take a little, little of each. And in that way your condition will improve. Actually, according to Dr. Gopal, you will be sitting up on your own within a few days’ time.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Most of them say four days, he only said two [chuckles]. Usually they say four. The kavirāja would say four. Anyway, one should think positively and always…

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That Dr. Ghosh of Kodiakanal said four days. But Dr. Gopal is the best. He says two days. Of course, that is to encourage you, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Did you do any exercising today?

Prabhupāda:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda, in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is described how one great devotee of Lord Caitanya, he did not have any disciples. So everyone was asking him, “Why you don’t take any disciples?” He said, “All right, the first person who I meet tomorrow I will make him my disciple.” So then he went down to the Ganga for a bath in the morning, and the first person he met was a dead body floating down the river. So, he was so pure that simply by touching this body, the person came back to life again, and he made him his disciple. So by the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, a dead body can become alive again. And we are expecting that same thing for you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. You told us that we should understand everything from your books, so it is stated in your books that it is possible. [end]