Room Conversation with Rāmakṛṣṇa Dāsa, formally Mr. Myer

Prabhupāda:
So Kṛṣṇa has sent you to look after this Institution. And they are giving very good report that “Bhaktivedanta is…, is very big organization,” and we have got land. Kindly try to improve it. So your wife is here?

Rāmakṛṣṇa Dāsa: Yes. She is also with me.

Prabhupāda:
So how do you…? Things there are?

Rāmakṛṣṇa Things are… I think it will be matter of one month’s time before we’ll be able to centralize everything. Just now, at this moment, of course, we are operating slightly in different areas. But next month by this date we should be able to…

Prabhupāda:
Never mind.

Rāmakṛṣṇa …know exactly what is happening, once we commonize the kitchen, the office, accounting chain and everything. At present we are slightly under capital, small space, but… Gurukula is coming out very well. In fact we met the contractor yesterday. So we’re hoping that by next month this time the whole thing should be shifted and so many more guestrooms will be released for people coming here for the festival. Possibilities are very good.

Prabhupāda:
Everything is there by Kṛṣṇa’s grace. Simply if it is nicely organized, things will… Tamāla Kṛṣṇa is very much appreciating.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Nothing is done by us.[?]

Prabhupāda:
So gradually…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
There was a letter from Śrīdhara Swami from Hyderabad temple. Would you like to hear it?

Prabhupāda:
You have read it?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. More or less, just a report about things going on there. [to Rāmakṛṣṇa:] Did you say your brother has a press?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Actually my brother is doing a lot of printing work in Bangalore. What he does is similar to what Bibili[?] does. He has got his own equipment, this IBM typewriters. He makes all the stencils, and then the photo film, and then it is printed on special paper. So he’s got two presses, one in Bombay and one in Madras. [indistinct]

Prabhupāda:
What is his name in Bombay?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Bombay, there’s one gentleman, he is… The name of the press where he’s…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Your brother owns the press?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
No. He’s getting a contract. He doesn’t invest very much money in that. He wrote a very nice directory of India. It’s the most beautiful directory. It took him about seven years to make. All the manufacturers in India, all the different economy of India, the various festivals.

Prabhupāda:
Oh, directory.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Whole things is done in one. I’ll bring a copy when I come next time. It was done on very special paper made by Triveni Tissues in Calcutta. And whole thing is just so thin, and it covers everything, whatever, all Indian bases, all foreign embassies, Indian banks, newspapers. He’s an economist basically. So this is really a hobby. He’s working for a company, and part of that is doing that. Bombay this gentleman is working with him there. He’s got a very big press. But he has a problem in managing it. So my brother is trying to give him some business. They have got very good facilities, offset. People don’t believe such good printing can be done in India, five color, six color. Very good job.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Your brother is a printer by trade? No.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
He is publisher.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He’s a publisher by trade.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
He is actually doing agency business and publishing as his hobby. He’s trying to bring out a few books.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Where does he live?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
He lives in Bangalore.

Prabhupāda:
So why not bring some samples?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
I’ll bring. I’ll bring it myself. And also I think if you want to print Back to Godhead issue, he can easily do it. He’s got a very good mind for it.

Prabhupāda:
No, if your brother has got good press, we can print so many books.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
You say he has a mind for editorial.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Very good. I’ll show you some of the work he’s done.

Prabhupāda:
In press we are very much interested. Our twenty-five, yes, fifty percent activities on press.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
He can definitely help you. He knows Hindi, Sanskrit also.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Your brother.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Hindi is good. Hindi, English. In fact, he’s now very obvious data.[?] He’s very well connected. He’s known to local governor and people each end in Calcutta. In fact, [indistinct] recommended with a view to starting a center there. But trouble is, you see, that so many faiths people start believing in. He has been believing in Sai Baba sometime. So I was not wanting… But he’ll change. It’s just a matter of time. [indistinct]

Prabhupāda:
The Sai Baba has been challenged in so many ways.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
I went one day. I was sitting. I watched him, and he said “Come with me,” and… It was a while back. So like that, he’s… But then when I told him about ISKCON he’s definitely interested to know all about that. Because my eldest brother, he became a member first in Māyāpur about four or five years ago.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda said Sai Baba has been exposed in so many ways now.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Yes. Biggest problem with him is, see, that he has some sort of a charm over people. Mainly people who go to him, they want some miracles. People who want some…

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
They want some quick profits. That’s why they go to him. But if anybody is interested in spiritual advancement, he cannot help. Somebody wants to get a son, somebody’s son is sick, he wants to get cured, such things…

Prabhupāda:
Material.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
All material things only. He is not able to guide people. He does some different things, but basically he’s not able to take people for any spiritual advancement.

Prabhupāda:
Neither he has any philosophy.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No. None at all.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Actually South is full of it. They have got the Theosophical Society, there’s the Aurobindo Society, there is the J. Krishnamurti Trust, [indistinct]. Many, many things are there. But each one of it is just a very shallow… No one really gets around to… J. Krishnamurti has never written a book himself. Always another person writes about him, his thoughts, his speeches. So only thing is that they started many, many years ago, fifty years ago. So they have bought some piece of land and started some schools, and like that they have created certain systems. But basically it’s very difficult. One cannot make any advancement with such people. But all, everywhere in India today tendency is people just go and ask for some personal gain. In Tirupati people go there, they say “If I get a son, I will come and pay some money.” And some people say, “If my husband gets all right, I will come and do something.” Some women go there, they just take off all their diamond necklaces and pour it. In one day they will sometimes collect a crore of rupees. It’s unbelievable. So that is the type attitude Indian people developed. And then the legend also says that Lord Viṣṇu married, and for a marriage He has taken a big loan. So whosoever is helping Him to repay it, he gets a boon from the…

Prabhupāda:
Lord Viṣṇu. Who is that?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Lord Veṅkateśvara. That is one insult. They say that for a marriage He has taken so much money, and He’s to pay back…

Prabhupāda:
A person, man?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
I beg your pardon?

Prabhupāda:
A man has said?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
It is a form of Viṣṇu. They call it Veṅkateśa-jī.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He’s talking about Bālajī Veṅkateśvara. He says that there’s a legend that Viṣṇu took a loan for… What?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
For getting married. So that loan He has to repay now. So anyone who is helping Him to repay is given some… Therefore they say it is very natural for people to go and…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Viṣṇu doesn’t have to take any loan. Anybody who believes that means they don’t know the philosophy. How can God be wanting?

Prabhupāda:
Lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambrahma-sevyamānam [Bs. 5.29]. He’s worshiped by many thousands of goddess of fortune. Why He is taking your help?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
So this is how the people are made to believe the entire thing. And now they’ve started collecting money through banks. People are sending deposits through banks to get pūjās done. And prasādam is being sold in all the places. This is just basically. But if anyone wants to go there and…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So our temple should be ideal here.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Oh, yes. This actually will be the largest, Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma. We think that now we have made all possible efforts for people to know about it. In fact, if we could have a base in Mathurā—that’s where all the people come from—and one on the highway, then I think we can attract people both sides.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Everybody knows about this. Anybody who goes to Mathurā comes to this place. Oh, that’s sure. People go to Mathurā to come to Vṛndāvana anyway. Anybody that comes to Vṛndāvana has heard about Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma. It’s a fact.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
So next two months are very, very busy starting from August. The books definitely, for printing and publishing, I’ll get some samples. He has done good work. And in case you want to do some editorial work, he can definitely do.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
But then he has to be… To do editorial work requires that he understand the philosophy.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Quite right.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
And if he’s following Sai Baba now, how will he…?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Actually he’s not following. I think it’s just that at that point of time, nothing else is there. Like most people…

Prabhupāda:
The professors challenge him… What…?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes. There was a challenge?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Yes, one of his disciples was recently caught. He had lot of vibhūti inside, hidden inside his body. So when he lay down they say that lot of vibhūti was coming out. So when they opened the shirt it was just filled with whole thing inside. That is one of his very close disciples there. But he is still managing to get away. His argument is that there are two types of people who come to him. One who is spiritually advanced, for them he does not show any miracles. But there are some poor people who do not believe in God unless you show the miracle, so therefore he gives all these mūrtis and… I told, once [indistinct] with him last year. So I was sitting there and suddenly, you see, he just did something and…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Let’s see him save himself from death. Let’s see him make the miracle that he can save himself from dying. That he cannot do.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Whole thing is, in the last four, five years. Once they tried to buy my chairman’s car, they want to buy. It is said he must have big car. It is big Chevrolet car he has got.

Prabhupāda:
I have heard that he’s a big drunkard.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
No, he wanted buy a car from my chairman.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What did you say, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda:
That man is a big drunkard.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Who?

Prabhupāda:
This Sai Baba.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Sai Baba is a drunkard.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
He is chewing pān twenty-four hours a day. His teeth are all red. Most of the time, when he goes there, he is…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda said he doesn’t just chew pān, he drinks. He’s a heavy drinker.

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
But these are all nothing. It is all temporary. When the sun shines, then all these little glows, they just automatically go off.

Prabhupāda:
You are leaving when?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Today evening. Tomorrow morning I’ll return to Madras, leave the day after, morning, then come back next week.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
When will you be coming back?

Rāmakṛṣṇa:
Next week. Wednesday or Thursday.

Prabhupāda:
Jaya. [break] Any intelligent person can understand this is all Communist propaganda. And the Central Government is seeking an opportunity to drive them away.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
To drive away the Communists.

Prabhupāda:
If they can find out the snake behind the earthworm, then they’ll be finished. [laughter] That there is. There is no case. Simply it is maneuver. Communist government wants to drive away the Americans. This is the plan. And the government is anxious to keep good relationship with America. And the Communist wants to drive them away.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yeah. Now the American Consulate is also involved. That makes it very jeopardizing for the Communists. If they act the wrong way, then the Central Government will lose its position with the American Embassy. It will look very bad for the Central Government. They’re not going to let the state act in any way that will jeopardize their position. The two acting together, Central Government and the American Consulate…

Prabhupāda:
It is very clear that it is a plan of the Communists.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Would you say that even, I mean, initially it was a plan in the sense of the cow going on the land and…

Prabhupāda:
No, no. This is all plan to make a case.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, but I mean just like the cow…

Prabhupāda:
It is insignificant. What is that? There was a cow, and…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
So I mean… I’m just trying to understand. Just like the Muslim, he got the cow.

Prabhupāda:
This is plan.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That was planned.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Oh. I see. Even from that point it was planned.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Bhakti-caru:
And the purpose [indistinct] outsider coming into our [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
How could they take our grass?

Bhakti-caru:
At night, you know, they take the grass inside. [indistinct] Maybe at night there were some kind of people around them. Just like at [indistinct]. And then when they caught this man…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
They shaved half his head, they said.

Prabhupāda:
Whatever it may be, this is all…

Bhakti-cāru:
[indistinct]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
They shaved the Muslim’s head. [laughter] Like with Rukmī. Same punishment was meted out by Lord Kṛṣṇa to Rukma. We have to follow our predecessors. Kṛṣṇa is the original predecessor. So far, I have not written anything to them because I think they should first send their report. You’ve been speaking… Actually, what you’ve been saying is very encouraging. Just like yesterday you said that they have done right, but I’m not communicating any of this to Māyāpur.

Prabhupāda:
No, no, no. This is not to…

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
They should first of all send a report before we tell them anything, because we should get the actual facts from them.

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. In today’s newspaper, Śrīla Prabhupāda, some reports about that has been printed. What they have done is right to protect themselves.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Han?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. To protect themselves they have done the right thing.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes? Who says that?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. The contractor was saying that.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Which newspaper reported this?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. I did not ask about that. I will find out and give you the news paper cutting tomorrow.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. In which news paper?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Our contractor read it, he told me. Mr. Ahuja was telling me. May be in Hindusthan Times because he reads Hindusthan Times.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You did not read yourself?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. No, I did not read it. The contractor was telling me. It was in favor of ISKCON.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. We did not go to their house to shoot them.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Yes, you are right.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They were wounded in our premises.]

Bhagatjī:
You have the right, for the protection of your wealth and land.

Prabhupāda:
We did not go to shoot them at their house.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
They attacked us.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Three hundred of them. And nobody got seriously ill. Nobody got seriously injured.

Indian man (1):
No. This also came in the paper. Everybody says they know. Nobody sees. It is also coming. He was also telling us.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
It seems like another opportunity of Lord Kṛṣṇa’s to make us prominent.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Actually, if we did not get these prominent opportunities, it would take many years to become so prominent, but Kṛṣṇa pushes us.

Prabhupāda:
[laughs] Yes. Kṛṣṇa became prominent by killing Pūtanā. [laughter] Immediately. [Transl. Which news paper reported this?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Tomorrow I will show you.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hmm.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Today he didn’t come.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. These Communists should be driven out from India.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Śrīla Prabhupāda, I’m still in the midst of doing some work. Is it all right if I continue?

Prabhupāda:
Hmm.

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like to eat something now?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Not now.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Won’t eat? May I give you some mango and milk?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I am not particulary hungry. I have taken some fruit juice.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. What fruit juice?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hān?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Fruit juice is just like water.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Whatever it is.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. You won’t eat anything then?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I have drunk milk.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. That was at noon time.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. At noon time.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Then from tomorrow let us arrange your meal like before?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. That I will tell you tomorrow.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay Śrīla Prabhupāda. So I won’t give you the medicines any more today. Let it be Śrīla Prabhupāda. I was thinking, he supposed to give medicine for seven days and we have already paid for it, so what about that? He didn’t give medicine for forty rupees. So should I ask him to return it?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What is the use of asking?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Cannot ask. You tell him. You tell that for now we will stop the treatment. When we go tomorrow…]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. There is no need to go.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I brought the paper from him and told him that I will send it back tomorrow.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Which paper?]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. The newspaper which I brought.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Oh.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. I won’t go, but I will send it. When someone goes to the market I will send it with him.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Discuss it with Tamala.]

Bhakti-cāru:
[Transl. Okay Śrīla Prabhupāda. Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now everything is quite there.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Yes I think so. Conspiracy. Some conspiracy is going on.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Han?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Conspiracy. Conspiracy is going on.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. If it was serious it would go on.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. No, it was not serious. Someone was saying that in last fifteen days there had been no serious injury to anyone. And what Bhavānanda has done was the right thing. Śrī Rāma was banished. He went to the forest. After He left there was so much talk going on in Ayodhya. Among those topics, one of the topic was that the miscreants began to say that Bharat had a role in the exhile of Rāma. The mischieves people spread this rumor. But those who were devotees they could not believe it saying it is just impossible. Bharat cannot do like that. [Laughs]. This is the point. Only miscreants take pleasure in such matters, but the devotees feel sad. They said it is not possible.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Our point is that if an ordinary person can understand that it was a communist plan then can’t the government understand it?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. That is it. The government people are also saintly. They are not saintly, but good hearted. They are good people. Their hearts are pure.]

Prabhupāda:
Hun?

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Anybody can tell from his common sense that if someone comes to your house and attack then what will you do? You can only surrender if there is no attack on you.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No. In America there is a law that if you enter in my house without permission, I can shoot you. It is so strict there.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Not in India. In India you cannot shoot him, you can insult him.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. There you can kill him.] You have no right to enter my house.

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. But Prabhupāda, how do they enter anyone’s house? From where will they take permission if they have to go to someone’s house?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No. Permission… I mean to say that the laws are so strict.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. It means usually they don’t do. If someone does so under the circumstance there is no fault.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. There is no fault. This happened one time. One of our devotees went to somebody’s garden to get some flower and they shot him.] Trespass.

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Did that devotee get hurt?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, he was frightened. Such laws are there in America. They keep signboard] “Beware of dog” “Do not trespass”. It’s a big country so without strict laws how will they maintain? There the dogs are trained in such a way that if anyone comes even near the gate, they begin to bark.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Here also there are trained dogs in the houses of the big people. They bark at strangers.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They have a company to train dogs. They leave the trained dogs in the banks, in the shops at night, and in the morning they bring them back. The dogs are ours. You pay us and our dogs will proptect your shop and banks, etc. At night they let loose the dogs and in the morning they again take them back. Scary dogs. I have seen so many in Europe also. Horrific. The thieves are horrific, the government is horrific, the public is also horrific.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Prabhupāda, you have done a marvelous job in these horrific countries. But in India still there is some discipline. In the blood of people in India…]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Here they are all fools. They simply imitate. This is a matter of regret.]

Bhagatji:
[Transl. Yes. But the jewel of India is to show respect to the devotees. This is the gem of India. Even the children show respect to the saintly persons.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Now that is being dimished.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. God is in our side.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. People there were saying that the way you are speaking, especially in the beginning, you should be killed. But the Supreme Lord has saved me from so many types of great dangers in all respects. And as far as my health is concerned, it has been bad from the time I went to abroad at the age of seventy. I suffered heart attack three times, and since then something or other is always happening to my body.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. So in unhealthy condition you have been preaching in this whole time.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. All along I have preached in unhealthy condition. I went through such condition, one time I was traveling in a motor car and suddenly I felt like I will die now.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Why is so? Is it because of fear or something else?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No. No. Just my health condition was so bad, that’s why.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Ill health. Fear of accident?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No. No accident. Because my health was so fragile. Imbalance of wind. When I was returning to India in 1967 for the first time, these people took care of me very nicely, but my condition became so bad on the way, I didn’t tell them anything, I thought I will not survive. I arrived at the airport. As I was sitting my condition became very serious. Immediately, I came to India by force. I was prepared. If I have to die, then let me go to Vrndavana.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Then you went back again.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. I went back again. But when I thought that there is no alternative left for survival, then I came back to Vrndavana. Actually my health has been down for a long time. From 1965 to 1977. I was never healthy.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Yes. I also noticed that. From last four or five years I have also seen that.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Does anyone start any work at the age of seventy?]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Impossible. Sometimes we sit down and chat and everyone says what you have done is simply impossible. It is not possible. Who can be so brave? We can not even imagine Śrīla Prabhupāda. This is a fact.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. When I got my ticket from Scindia Navigation, at that time all the secretaries and other people there made fun of me. This old man is going to die.]

Bhagatjī:
[Laughs]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. At such an advanced age he is going to preach! This old man is simply going to die. This was their idea. On top of that he is alone and with no money! Nor there is any friend nor any address or anything with him.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Śrīla Prabhupāda, when you first went there you had no money and there were no devotees so how would you manage?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes, from the books.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Those were your beginning days. [laughs] You also travelled around with your books?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hmm. Three volumes of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam I had printed here in India. Some of those three volumes of books I took along with me. From those books everything was going on. There also I saw two, three shops where they sell religious books about oriental culture. There is one big shop called Paragon store. In that store I sold some of my books. And another oriental store also purchased some books. I made some friends and sold them some books. They used to buy. Sometimes I would go to the church and they would buy some books.]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. Even in the church they bought? [Laughs] Prabhupāda, the Lord went with you to the church.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hmm. From the beginning, from the ship I started…]

Bhagatjī:
[Transl. From Airport?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, From……..]

[end]