Room Conversation
and actually for the benefit of the human society.
Prabhupāda:
…and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.
Hari-śauri:
No, they can’t stop this movement. It’s not possible to stop this movement now.
Prabhupāda:
No, it is not possible. That I’m certain. It is advertising indirectly. [laughs]
Hari-śauri:
Will things get physically violent?
Prabhupāda:
Well, the violence there may be. It doesn’t matter.
Hari-śauri:
We should… If we have to, we can…
Prabhupāda:
Oh, yes. We must… Self-protection must be there.
Hari-śauri:
Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to…
Prabhupāda:
Fight!
Hari-śauri:
Then we’ll have to fight.
Prabhupāda:
Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.
Hari-śauri:
Yes. If we don’t get protection from the government, then what can we do?
Prabhupāda:
Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that “Here is a deprogrammer and kidnapper,” kill him. Finish!
Hari-śauri:
And if we go to court, then it’s self-defense.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.
Hari-śauri:
Oh, yes. Definitely.
Prabhupāda:
That should be done.
Hari-śauri:
We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give ’em a good hiding.
Prabhupāda:
There is civil war. Why not this?
Hari-śauri:
Yes. This is… This is a big fight now.
Prabhupāda:
Yes.
Hari-śauri:
[laughs] You’re the world’s greatest revolutionary. [Prabhupāda laughs] [break] Now that we’re being attacked like this physically…
Prabhupāda:
So we must attack them also.
Hari-śauri:
Should we actually have a training program, so that our…
Prabhupāda:
No.
Hari-śauri:
… we’d know how to defend? Like you were saying varṇāśrama…
Prabhupāda:
Yes.
Hari-śauri:
…system there must be kṣatriya and everything like that.
Prabhupāda:
Yes.
Hari-śauri:
Should we actually start to…
Prabhupāda:
Train.
Hari-śauri:
…train up some of our men so they know how to fight?
Prabhupāda:
Yes, why not?
Hari-śauri:
’Cause we have men that know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don’t… They’re not…
Prabhupāda:
They are not trained up.
Hari-śauri:
…trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional guṇḍās.
Prabhupāda:
That…? What is that? “Kirat?” They practice self-defense?
Hari-śauri:
Karate.
Prabhupāda:
Karate.
Hari-śauri:
There’s different forms of self-defense. [end]