Evening Darśana

Prabhupāda:
That’s all.

Devotee:
Thank you.

Prabhupāda:
So mind, his business is to think something. But ordinarily the thinking is we accept something and reject something. Or accept the same thing and again reject the same thing. This business is going on. But if you think of question, there is no question of rejecting. Simply accepting. Then it is fixed up. Other things you accept and reject. Something we accept as “Oh, it is very good.” Again, “No, no, it is not good.” Accepting. Childish. Child is playing, one type of playing, “No, no, another one.” That is material. And when you fix up—no rejection, simply accept it—that is Kṛṣṇa… So if you think of Kṛṣṇa… Just like here is temple. If you come and, as other devotees are doing, if you do, if you attend maṅgala-ārati, if you attend bhoga-ārati, always see, then offer obeisances, then naturally you will think of Kṛṣṇa always. Then as you think of Kṛṣṇa, you become purified. Just like if you touch with fire you remain always warm. Similarly, man-manā, if you always think of Kṛṣṇa, you gradually become fully Kṛṣṇa-ized, Kṛṣṇa’s devotee, Kṛṣṇa’s servant. That is perfection. There is no difficulty. People will not do that. That is the difficulty. “Why shall I think of Kṛṣṇa? I shall think of this, I shall think of that.” This is the difficulty. Otherwise not difficulty. You have to think something; think of Kṛṣṇa. That’s all. Finished.

Indian man:
[Transl. It all happens due to prejudice.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No prejudice. Nothing. We are stubborn. We won’t do it. This is our mischief.] Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. Duṣkṛtinaḥ. [Transl. Wicked. Rascal. They won’t do only. Just like a child, he won’t listen to anyone. However nicely you tell him he will not do it. Rascal. He should be beaten by shoes. That’s all. Māyā fixes him by shoes.]

*Indian man: [Transl. He won’t listen to any advice.]

Prabhupāda:[Transl. That’s the thing. He won’t do, so māyā forces him to do it by beating with shoes repeatedly.] Daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. [Transl. Having been beaten by shoes, he comes to his senses. That is his remedy.] Beating with shoes by māyā, that’s all. [Transl. This is māyā’s job. To trash nicely. In this way suffer miseries life after life. Life after life.] [Lady enters]

Oh, when you have come?

Woman:
This morning.

Prabhupāda:
I was thinking of you.

Woman:
Oh, yes?

Prabhupāda:
So did you go to Bangkok?

Woman:
No, I’m going very soon. May be I stay for Janmāṣṭamī then I go.

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. So, they must get beaten. Until they surrender they are beaten.] Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. [Transl. So long they are criminals the police will beat them up. But as soon as they give up their mischief there will be no connection with police. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ [Bg. 7.14] Otherwise go on being beaten by police.]

Indian man:
[Transl. I thought māyā was more prominent in the foreign countries? Is she more prominent here or there? Indian side or that side?]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What difference does it make if we are Indian? Anywhere.] Indian Māyāvādīs are more dangerous. [Transl. There, no māyāvādīs and this or that. They are grossly materialists.]

Indian man:
[Transl. Māyāvādīs* are more in numbers in India.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hmm. Too many. They are the ones who spoiled India.] Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said, māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. Anyone who is influenced by Māyāvādī, he’s doomed.

Indian man:
He’s doomed.

Prabhupāda:
He’s finished. No more spiritual knowledge. He’s doomed.

Indian man:
How far the study of the scriptures helps us in being Kṛṣṇa conscious?

Prabhupāda:
You read Bhagavad-gītā. That is the essence of all scriptures. And follow it. It is, from the very beginning to the end, it is simply helping you. You haven’t got to read many literatures. Just like these American, European boys, they are with me for the last, utmost seven, eight years. Otherwise, three years, four years. So how are they becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious? It is not at all difficult. They are accepting Bhagavad-gītā as it is, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and becoming perfect. But in India: “Why shall I worship Kṛṣṇa? I have got this, I have got that.” He’ll bring thousands of Kṛṣṇa competitors, and he’ll himself, he has become Kṛṣṇa: “I am God.” This is going on. He’s so shameless that he says that “I am God.” God is so cheap. He’s shameless. He has no shame even, how he says that he is God? Māyayāpahṛta-jñāna. So-called jñānī means māyayāpahṛta-jñāna.

Indian man:
Māyāvādī?

Prabhupāda:
Māyayā apahṛta-jñāna. Māyā. [Transl. Māyā has stolen his knowledge. But he thinks he is very learned. He is fool number one but brags himself to be wise. That is called māyayāpaṛta-jñāna. Apahṛta means snatched away. He is māyāvādī.] Who is very, very much under the influence of māyā, he is Māyāvādī. Unless he is too much under the influence of māyā, how he can say that “I am God”? Which is impossible. [Transl. Suppose a person declares that I am king. Will he be accepted as king jusy by his claim? Is it that easy to become a king? A kingdom is required, subjects are required, ministers are required.] So many things which makes one rājā, and if you simply imagine, “I am rājā,” so how much rascal he is, just see. Mūḍha. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. [Transl. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu has warned] Māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. If one follows the Māyāvādīs and thinks that “I am God,” then he is finished. His future is finished.

Indian man:
[Transl. Because his knowledge has been stolen he automatically comes to that platform.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. He is finished. He cannot progress further. He is a fool. He is crazy. Just like if a man becomes mad then his life is spoiled. Though he is alive, he is finished. Jivan-mṛta. Dead though living. He is one kind of mad and another kind of mad is the karmīs. nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma [SB. 5.5.4] The karmī thinks that by working harder I will earn a lot of money and thereby become happy. He is one kind of mad. And another kind is he who thinks I have worked hard but could not become happy, so now I will become God. He is also crazy. He worked hard but did not become happy. He thinks, “this is all false. Jagan mithyā: the world is unreal. I should not go after it. I will become God.” He thinks that is real. To become God is real. These considerations are very common. That is why the Supreme Personality of Godhead said sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66] Some people have concluded that we will be happy by working hard, by earning lot of money and by becoming the king of heaven. And some others have concluded that there is no happiness in all these things now I will become God.]

Indian man:
[Transl. Simply mad.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. So these are one kind of insane and those are another kind of insane. And the real sanity is to become servant of the Supreme Lord. That’s all. Perfect. Kadāham aikāntika-nitya-kiṅkaraḥ praharṣayiṣyāmi sa-nātha-jīvitam [Stotra-ratna 43 by Yāmunācārya]

When will that day come when I will think that I have got my Lord and He is protecting me? When will I feel that kind of ecstasy? Just like one person is helpless, and there is another person who knows that I have my father, I have my patron, he will protect me all the time. Natuarally that person will be peaceful.]

Indian man:
[Transl. He has confidence.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Please come. Sit down.] That is very nice, that “I have got a protector.” [Transl. Sanātha.* I have a protector.]

Indian man:
[Transl. Sanātha. Anātha* and sanātha. Yes. Yes.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. One who disregards Him, he is anātha. Anātha, like poor children they go here and there. And sanātha jīvitam, he knows, I have got father. Who can harm me?]

Indian man:
He can be fearless, free.

Prabhupāda:
Oh, yes. He’s fearless. [Transl. That is natural.] I have seen in my practical life. Long ago I was going in a tram car. So my son, he was two years old. [Transl. The conductor asked him, “Give me paisa.” So he replied “I have no paisa.” Then the conductor said, “Then you get down.” He said, “My father is with me! Why should I get down?”] He is sanātha. He’s confident, “My father is there. How he can get me down?” This is natural. Sanātha-jīvitam. Kadāham aikāntika-nitya-kiṅkaraḥ praharṣayiṣyāmi. That is ānanda, that “I have no fear. I have got my father here. I have got my protector.” Sanātha-jīvitam. That is required. [Transl. Otherwise, remain an anātha and suffer birth after birth. None will protect you. Work hard and suffer distress. They are all anātha. bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmī-sakali ‘aśānta’ Aśānti. If one is anātha he is aśānta. “What will happen? What will I do? Who will protect me?”]

bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmī-sakali ‘aśānta’
kṛṣṇa-bhakta-niṣkāma, ataeva ‘śānta’
[Cc. Madhya 19.149]

Indian man:
[Transl. Niṣkāma ataeva…*]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Śānta.*]

Indian man:
[Transl. Ataeva śānta.*]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. He is śānta. A devotee of Kṛṣṇa thinks, “Why should I worry? Whatever Kṛṣṇa says I will do. What I have to do anything separately?” He is śānta. When He orders I will carry it out. But the bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmīs, they work according to their own idea, own plan. So how can they be śāntha? The karmīs are making their own plan. We will become happy like this. We will earn so much money, we will go to heaven and here and there. And in that endeavor they are always aśānta. And mukti-kāmīs desire, “I will become God.” Therefore he too is aśānta. How I will become God. And siddhi, yogis, they also want mystic power. How I will fly in the sky. How I will walk on water. How I will show magic. How I will produce gold. And to show magic they waste their life. It takes some skill to show magic. Jugglery, cheating also require hard work. But the devotee says, “I haven’t got to do anything. Whatever the Supreme Lord orders, I will do. That’s all. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.” He is śānta. He hasn’t got to do anything. He waits for the master to order.]

Indian man:
[Transl. And he does it.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. He will do it. He is śānta. He hasn’t got to do anything of his own accord. Neither he has to show magic, nor to go to heaven, nor to become God, nor go to jail or do anything else. Nothing. That’s all. He is śānta. So bhukti-mukti… In Caitanya caritāmṛta it is written, bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmī-sakali ‘aśānta’. All are restless.]

Indian man:
[Transl. Bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmī.*]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. All of them are aśānta. And Kṛṣṇa bhakta niṣkāma, because he does not want anything. He neither has to become one with God, nor he has to show magic, nor he has to go to heaven. He says, “I will go to hell even. What is there? I will simply carry out the Lord’s order. That’s all.” Nārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve na kutaścana bibhyati [SB. 6.17.28] One who is prepared to carry out Nārāyaṇa’s order, he has no fear whatsoever. Svargāpavarga-narakeṣv api tulyārtha-darśinaḥ. God says, “You go to hell.” “All right. I will go to hell. If God so orders, it’s all right. All I have to do is to follow the Supreme Lord’s order.” If you are ready to follow Lord’s order in hell then the Lord too has to go to hell to give you order. So if the Supreme Lord is with me then where is the question of hell?]

Indian man:
[Transl. Yes. God too will have to accompany. Then the hell will no longer be hell perhaps.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Just like Nārada Muni goes. He goes to hell also and heaven also. He goes to Vaikuṇṭha also. He goes everywhere. So if he went to hell for preaching, he didn’t go to hell!]

Indian man:
[Transl. He went for preaching.]

Prabhupāda:
Jaya. [end]