Morning Walk

Prabhupāda:
Viṣaya… [Transl. Viṣaya means] This sense gratification, that is available everywhere. Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Śāstrījī:
[chanting Hindi prayers.] [jinse kāṭe sava māya ke phāṅde [break] aise guru-pada-kamalaṁ vande. aise guru-pada-kamalaṁ vande. hāṭe sadā abhimāna mera sumati de bhakton ko bhagavān prabhuki kṛpā vinu tarasa rahā hun antarhṛdayame tarasa rahā hun bārāṁbāra praṇāma, sumati de bhakton ko bhagavān bārāṁbāra pranāma, sumati de bhakto ko bhagavān:

I offer my respectful obeisances at the lotus feet of the spiritual master by whose mercy the entanglement of Māyā is cut into pieces. Let my pride be vanquished always. O Lord, kindly bestow good intelligence to the devotees. Without the Lord’s mercy my heart is longing and suffering. Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.] [break]

Prabhupāda:
…sex. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithuna[Hitopadeśa 25]. This is life: sex and bhaya, fearfulness, and then eating and sleeping—four things. They must eat, they must sleep, and the sex, and as soon as some men are coming, flying. This is there in the human society. Where is the distinction?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:
No distinction.

Prabhupāda:
They are also together, the same—sex. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithuna[Hitopadeśa 25]. And they are writing books, big, big book, “Sex Psychology,” Freud. This rascals’ philosophy.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What’s-his-name is doing that too. That bogus guru in Bombay, Rajneesh.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhagavan Rajneesh.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhagavan Rajneesh. He is also writing sex psychology books.

Prabhupāda:
That’s all. And this is going on as philosophy.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Bhagavan Rajneesh.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:
He’s been thrown out of Bombay now. He can’t come to Bombay.

Prabhupāda:
So many rascals are there. Is there any philosophy which is existent in the lower animals? What is philosophy there? And they are writing big, big philosophy—Freud’s philosophy and others.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
You were describing that Freud’s business is that he had sex life with his mother.

Prabhupāda:
Yes. You did not know that?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
No, I didn’t know it till you…

Prabhupāda:
Yes. You told me?

Harikeśa:
No, you told me. Then I told you.

Prabhupāda:
Somebody told me, some Western authority.

Hari-śauri:
[laughs] It must have been Harikeśa.

Prabhupāda:
The Muhammadans say… In the Koran it is written there, “From this day, no sex life with mother.” In the modern philosophy they say, “What is the wrong? Why there should be discrimination?” John Lennon was follower of this. “Sex anyone. It doesn’t matter. It is a bodily necessity, that’s all.” They learn this art from the hogs, hog philosophy.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
There is one popular music group in America called the Hog Farm. And what they do is they have their… When they are playing their music, just below the stage they have a big pen with many hogs in it, and at the end of the music they all jump down amongst the hogs, and then they do all kinds of nonsense things. And it’s a very popular group.

Prabhupāda:
[chuckles] How they are bringing ruination. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ [SB. 7.5.31]. Blind men led by another blind man. It is not new. In the Bhāgavata therefore it is warned that “Don’t follow hog philosophy.” Viḍ-bhujāṁ ye. This kind of philosophy, that for sense gratification, laboring whole day and night, writing books, philosophizing and all these things, it is meant for the hogs, not for human being. Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye [SB. 5.5.1]. This kind of civilization is meant for the hogs. So they are exhibiting that they are no better than hog.

Śāstrījī:
Śuddhyed yasmād brahma-saukhyaṁ tv anantam [SB. 5.5.1]. Brahma-saukhya, ananta-brahma-saukhya.*

[break] [sings Hindu verses]

antimayi vināyai mori karau kṛpā śacīsūnu ghaneri,
hāṭe sadā madamāna, sumati de bhakton ko bhagavān

O son of Śacī, I humbly beg from the core of my heart that please be merciful to me so that my pride and arrogance go away. O Lord, give good intelligence to the devotees.

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This philosophy that God should give good intelligence to the devotees, doesn’t God give anyway?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. He gives, but the devotees are not qualified to receive.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This prayer is not correct. It is Gandhi’s prayer. You are trying to teach God. This is not good. Read ślokas from Bhāgavata and Bhagavad-gītā only and explain them. Don’t manufacture like this. You are instructing God.]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. This is not instruction I think.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. What else then?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Begging. This is like… What knowledge do I have to know what to say and what not to say.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. No, to the devotees…What does it say? What is written?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Sumati de bhakton ko bhagavān.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Doesn’t He give good sense?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Yes, He gives. But we are unable to follow that path.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Then how do you expect good inclination? You tell yourself to follow the path. Why are you telling God?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. I don’t know how to follow only.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. This is what you have to learn. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ: one should traverse the path which is followed by great personalities. [Cc. Madhya 17.186] Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja in the Mahābhārata, Vana-pārva 313.117]. one should traverse the path which is followed by great personalities.

Caitya guru:
[Transl. It is like following “Nitāi gaura rādhe śyāma.”]

Prabhupāda:
Don’t manufacture knowledge. Take knowledge from Bhagavān. And that is our business. [Transl. These requests to Bhagavān that Bhagavan you do like this, like that. Why? Is Bhagavān your father’s servant? Doesn’t Bhagavān know anything?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. He is aware of everything.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Then? What’s the need to ask Him?] Don’t order Bhagavān. Just follow Bhagavān. That is wanted.

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Just serve Him.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Yes. Bhagavān says,

ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇaṁ
paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam
[Śrī Śikṣāṣṭaka 1]

‘Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’

Kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ. [Śrī Śikṣāṣṭaka 3] Follow these things.] Don’t write concocted poetries. That is not beneficial. Simply follow. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. That is your business, not to give upadeśa to Kṛṣṇa: “Kṛṣṇa, do this.” Nāciye nāciye āire gopāla: “My dear Gopāla, please come to me, nāciye, dancing.” And the Gopāla is father’s servant. Ordering, “Gopāla, come,” nāciye nāciye, “for my sense gratification.” It is all nonsense. Why should you ask Gopāla to come to you? [Transl. These kinds of songs are found in Bengali. Do you know this?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Big poetries. Big poets. As if Gopāla is his father’s servant. He should come before him dancing so that he can see. He has become big devotee! And ordinary people think, Oh look how great devotee of Gopāla he is! He is ordering “Come to me dancing, dancing. [aside:] Please come. Do you understand or not?]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Yes, you are right.]

Prabhupāda:
You cannot order. You must follow.

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. It’s good that I met you sooner. I never received such knowledge before. It’s good that I came to Māyāpur for your association.]

Prabhupāda:
[to a Bengali] [Transl. Our philosophy is] to carry out the order of God, not to order God to carry out my order. That is mistake.

Indian man (1):
Always surrender to God.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Indian man (1):
Move according to the dictation of God.

Prabhupāda:
Yes. Don’t dictate God. The demigod worshipers, they dictate, dhanaṁ dehi, rūpaṁ dehi, yaśo de… [give me wealth, give me beauty, give me reputation] This dehi, dehi, dehi. [give, give, give] Therefore they are condemned. In the Bhagavad-gītā they have been condemned. Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante [Bg. 7.20]. He is so kāmuka, he is ordering God. Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ. But that order cannot be carried by God, but the demigods, they sometimes become flattered and give this benediction. So Kṛṣṇa said, tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām: “This kind of flattering the demigods and take some benediction,” antavat tu phalaṁ teṣāṁ tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām [Bg. 7.23]. Order… You cannot order God, but you can flatter these demigods. And therefore people are very much fond of flattering these demigods because…

Indian man (1):
Just to get material wealth. Material happiness.

Prabhupāda:
Yes, that’s it. Tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām. Antavat tu phalaṁ teṣām. All this material happiness, you may get it, but it will be finished with your body.

Indian man (1):
It is transcient.

Prabhupāda:
Kṛṣṇa says that teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam, dadāmi buddhi-yoga [Bg. 10.10]. He says, “I will give intelligence. There is no question of asking. If you become a devotee, sincere devotee, I’ll give you everything without your asking.” You understand, follow?

Śāstrījī:
Yes.

Prabhupāda:
So you qualify yourself. That is wanted. That qualification is sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam [Bg. 18.66]. He is always prepared to give you light. Just like sunlight is open always, but if you keep yourself in the dark room, how you can take benefit of the sunlight? Your business is to come before the sun; then everything will be all right.

[break] …used to sing like that, sab ke sumati de bhagavān. Huh? Raghupati rāghava rāja… You know? Sab ke sumati de bhagavān. De bhagavān? What is this nonsense? He’s asking, de bhagavān.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
What does that mean, “de bhagavān”?

Guḍākeśa:
“Give me.” He is ordering.

Prabhupāda:
Give him. Sab ke sumati de bhagavān.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That’s for the demigods.

Prabhupāda:
No, he has no sense what is God. This is going on.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Isn’t it that song they sing at the Kumbha-melā? You know, they were singing all the time at the Kumbha-melā, “Give me this, give me that.” What is that song?

Prabhupāda:
Yes, the ārati, ārati.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That ārati song. Oṁ jaya jagadīśa? [Hindi]

Indian man (1):
Hare.

Prabhupāda:
Viṣaya pāye, dhana sampatti pāye [Let me have sense gratification, wealth and property.] What is that? [laughter] Jaya bhagavān. Deho hamko viṣaya, jaya bhagavān [All glories to God! Give me sense gratification.]

Indian man (2):
Sab ko sampatti de bhagavān [O God, give wealth to everyone.]

Prabhupāda:
Duḥkha jāye sampatti pāye, de bhagavān, jaya ho terā. [Transl. All glories to God! Let my miseries be removed and wealth be gained. This is going on.] Whole world, they have accepted God as order-supplier: “I order, and You supply.” They all, this Christian Church also: “God, give us our daily bread.”

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
And if God doesn’t give, then God is dead.

Prabhupāda:
Dead.

Gopāla:
Atheist.

Prabhupāda:
This is going on. And our prayer is, na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ kavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye [Cc Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]: “I don’t want anything. Simply engage me in Your service.” Mama janmani janmanīśvare bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī. This is real prayer, which is taught by Caitanya Mahāprabhu.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda? I was reading in a magazine that in Germany the people used to be pious, but after the Second World War…

Prabhupāda:
They became atheist.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Completely atheists.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:
Prabhupāda said that.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Because they all said, “If God is there, then…”

Prabhupāda:
That… It was spoken by my, that Godbrother, Sadānanda. He told me.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
That could be the possibility why the government is harassing us there so much.

Prabhupāda:
Yes. Yes. Not only… Everywhere now there will be harassment for us, because this is the only movement preaching about God’s glories. This is only movement in the whole world. So the harassment will increase.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Increase.

Prabhupāda:
Yes. The more we sell our books, the harassment will be there. But sale is increasing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Right. And we just double our effort.

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. We sell about two lakhs rupees worth of books every day.] …throughout the whole world. [Transl. And they are burning with envy by seeing that. What’s happening? Within a short time they are being so popular? Germany is trying to harass, Japan is trying to harass, England. England is trying in a polished way. So harassment has started.] Religious persecution. We don’t mind that. We shall go on with our business. [Transl. Harassment starts only when] they feel, “Now this is coming.”

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Threat.

Prabhupāda:
Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
They know we’re threatening.

Prabhupāda:
When they feel. Yes. Just like our Godbrothers. [laughs] Now they’re feeling; therefore there is harassment: “Harass them.” Planning how to harass. Just like Hiraṇyakaśipu. When he saw that Prahlāda could not be killed in so many ways, he became very much disturbed: “What is this?” Then one day he asked, “Prahlāda, wherefrom you have got this power?” “No, wherefrom you have got this power? I am getting from the same source.”

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
He didn’t like that.

Prabhupāda:
Again he became angry: “Somebody else than me? I am God.”

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
“I am world preacher.”

Prabhupāda:
Yes. [break] …is so kind that He is sitting in everyone’s heart to give him good advice. There is no need of asking. He is only finding out the good opportunity to speak to him. [Transl. What’s that statement in the Upaniṣad? Dvā suparṇā. [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, 4.6]] Two birds sitting?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Kaṭha Upaniṣad.

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. Kaṭha Upaniṣad.]

Prabhupāda:
Hmm. So He is always eager to give you advice. He comes down to give you advice. So we are not taking His advice. That is the position.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Sarvasya cāham…

Indian man (2):
…hṛdi sanniviṣṭo mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca [Bg. 15.15].

Prabhupāda:
Yes. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭaḥ, He said. So who is taking His advice? Five thousand years Kṛṣṇa said, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam [Bg. 18.66]. Who is surrendering? Hmm? Therefore Kṛṣṇa came again as Caitanya Mahāprabhu—how to surrender—but still the rascals will not do that.

Indian man (2):
Ahaṁ mameti.

Prabhupāda:
Jīvasya moho ’yam ahaṁ mameti [SB. 5.5.8]. This is illusion. [break] …two cases. One was my friend, and he was a big man. So one servant, he advised him that “You do like this.” He was immediately dismissed. I have got experience. “You are trying to advise me? Get out immediately.” Huh?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:
Very good example. So if we try to advise God…

Prabhupāda:
No, God is not so foolish that… But He laughs, that “This man has come to advise.”

Indian man (1):
God is sarva-jña.

Prabhupāda:
My Guru Mahārāja used to say—I think I have explained many times—that “Don’t try to see God. Do in such a way that God will see you.” Similarly, don’t try to advise God, but follow the advice of God. That is our way. Because Bhagavān… mujhe darśana dijiye [O God, give me darśana.] This is also command. [Transl. Give me darśana. Why should He give you darśana? He has so much work. Just because you ask He will give you darśana? Act in such a way that Bhagavān will come to see you.] Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. If you are fully engaged in the service, then He will come: “Please see Me.” Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.234].

And if we want to see God with our these blunt eyes, it is not possible. Na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ. This said. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. [Transl. When you are free from all designations and become pure then you can see Bhagavān.] Or in the material world if our mind is always disturbed for sense gratification, it is not possible. Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi. Even you cannot understand what is this chanting, śrī-kṛṣṇa… Because God worship begins from the chanting of name, therefore it is said, ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi. Nāma, līlā, form. Begins from nāma. So na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ. If you keep your senses blunt, then it is not possible. Purify. And what is that? Hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate. Hṛṣīka means senses. When you engage all your senses in the service of the Lord, then you become nirmala. Hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate. Tat-paratvena nirmalam.

sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ
tat-paratvena nirmalam
hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-
sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate
[Cc. Madhya 19.170]

[Transl.Just one instruction, sarva-dharmānparityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja, that’s all. Everything will be accomplished by this. Immediately Bhagavān takes all responsibility.] Ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ [Bg. 18.66]: “As soon as you surrender, I take charge of you.” Then? Everything you’ll get. Be always confident that “Kṛṣṇa will save me. Let me serve Kṛṣṇa sincerely.” That’s all. [Transl. The process of devotional service as explained by the mahājanas, that should be followed. And *śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ. [SB. 7.5.23] Hearing and chanting is not about ourselves, but about Bhagavān. So there are so many things to hear and chant about Bhagavān. Śravaṇam kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ. Huh? Hear about Bhagavān all the time. Glorify Him sufficiently.]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl.Śrīla Prabhupāda, now as you are instructing I feel convinced. But after a while when I go elsewhere or do something else I tend to forget.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Why do you go elsewhere? Live here only. What is the need to go anywhere else? Remain in sādhu-saṅga. Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido. [SB. 3.25.25] Sato vrtteḥ sādhu-saṅge ṣaḍbhir bhaktiḥ prasidhyati. [Upadeśāmṛta 3] These things are all described. Sādhu…Just like the Gosvāmīs, whatever they have instructed, like Upadeśāmṛta, if we simply hear Upadeśāmṛta our mission will be successful. Upadeśāmṛta. You study each śloka and explain.]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. I saw that book first and read it. I liked it very much.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Hmm. That is the real thing. Instructions are given.]

Śāstrījī:
[Transl. The first śloka is

vāco-vegaṁ krodha-vegam
udaropastha-vegam manaso-vegam
etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ
sa pṛthiviṁ sa śiṣyāt
[Upadeśāmṛta1]

[Transl. So what I made is actually came to be this vāco-vegaṁ. This proves that it is vāco-vegaṁ.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Let me imitate. The Gosvāmīs have said so I also say. What will you say? First of all learn. This is called vāco-vegaṁ. Therefore śravaṇaṁ and then kīrtanaṁ. First hear then glorify. These professional kīrtanīyas, they don’t hear at all. Instead they smoke bīḍī. Yet they perform kīrtan. What will you gain by hearing them? And they manufacture ways. Some say, nitāi gaura rādhe śyāma, some say something else, something else. They declare, I am also a paṇḍit, I am also a bhakta, so I can also explain something. Viṣaheta dhīra. What is that? Etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ. This our desire that I will speak something, that urge has to be tolerated. No, I will not speak I will hear. Etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ.] They become dhīra. [Transl.Dhīras tatra na muhyati. [Bg. 2.13] The Supreme Lord says.] You’ll find in Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna many times said, iti śuśrūma: “I do not know whether it is correct, but I heard it like that.” [Īśopaniṣad 10] That is preaching, speaking. What you have heard from the authorities, if you speak, you repeat that, that is real speaking. Then pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt, then you’ll be guru for the whole world, if you don’t manufacture. So what is the difference between our Kṛṣṇa conscious and others? They manufactured ideas. Just like Ramakrishna Mission manufactured: daridra-nārāyaṇa sevā, service to poor Nārāyaṇa. Where is…? Nārāyaṇa is there, Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa. Where is this word, daridra-nārāyaṇa? He manufactured. [Transl. Therefore he was not successful. They are working from one hundred years but what success? Here they advertise, so much propaganda in America…but nobody knows them. Here by cheating they make ‘Vivekananda road’, and camp, and this and Ramakrishna this and so on. But what is there? They are Americans. Ask them.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
We never heard of him in America.

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Taking advantage of this false propaganda that we have preached Vedanta in America…Actually nobody cares for him there. And here they are naming road in his honour. This is going on.]

Jayapatākā:
You know they say there are roads named after him after he visits America.

Prabhupāda:
Eh?

Indian man:
Here, here in Calcutta.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:
I never heard of that.

Jayapatākā:
They are saying that there, there are so many roads named after him. They are saying.

Prabhupāda:
How propaganda, lies.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
We never even heard of him.

Prabhupāda:
I have seen one road, street, Gandhi’s, Mexico, and there is no other. Mexico, when there was trouble with the Americans, they adopted Gandhi’s noncooperation movement. Therefore they regarded Gandhi. There is Gandhi’s statue and Gandhi’s name, one. Who had been Mexico, any of you? That I have seen. And I never seen Vivekananda Road. Never. Or India—oh, so many, this, Vivekananda, that. No Caitanya Mahāprabhu Road. Vivekananda Road. Propaganda. The other day I saw some stamp, postage, “Vivekananda.” You have seen it? But never they will publish Kṛṣṇa or Caitanya Mahāprabhu. “Kṛṣṇa is fictitious.” What is called? Mythology. “Kṛṣṇa is mythology.”[Transl. This is the opinion of the modern gentlemen.]

Indian man:
[Transl. Changing.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. Eh?]

Indian man:
[Transl. Now things are changing. This postage stamp.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They are cautious that we are spreading simply by preaching Kṛṣṇa. That’s why they stopped our Rathayātra in London.] The government saw, especially the police department, and they became so popular. Within two, three years, thousands and thousands of men, not only Indian. Kichu āchen: Some are there. All Europeans, American, Englishmen, they are following Rathayātrā. Sei jagannātha, sei hare kṛṣṇa.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
In San Francisco they made it a holiday.

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. He lived in London for ten years. Ask him?]

Subhaga:
[Transl. So many. Thousands of them. Twelve thousand, fourteen thousand.]

Prabhupāda:
[Transl. They practically stand three hours in the sun. On the next day they published a picture in the ‘Guardian’] “Rival of Nelson Column” [Transl. is our Ratha.] [break] [Transl. They have just kept London fancy, but actually] “it is hell.” And actually like that. Always wet. No road you’ll find it is dry. Always damp. Is it not?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Yes, hellish.

Prabhupāda:
And it is so damp that in the trees you will see…, what is called? [Transl. What you call seolā] Moss, moss, moss. Yes.

Indian man (1):
Gathered moss.

Prabhupāda:
Yes. In every tree you will find. They do not get sufficient sunshine. [Transl. In our temple] we have got very nice lawn, but I cannot enjoy it. Hardly one day or two.

Indian man (1):
Always wet.

Prabhupāda:
You cannot sit there. It is cold.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:
Cold and damp. It’s about five after seven now, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break] [end]