Room Conversation

Prabhupāda: Neither of you saw this? [break]

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Hindi books. Hindi books are selling very well.

Prabhupāda: So what to do with this unfinished part? It will never be finished. That is the difficulty. We supplied three lakhs rupees monthly. Still, when I come, it is unfinished. Unfinished. I do not know when it will be finished. And whenever money is given, the report is, “Money is finished, but thing is not finished.” “Money is finished, but things are not finished.”

Guṇārṇava: Well, there’s some ninety-four thousand rupees in the Punjab Bank, but that’s for paying the, er…, that’s for finalizing all the contracts. Saurabha said that…

Prabhupāda: Your explanation there. I want to see that it is now finished. That’s all.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: All that money in the bank is to pay the overhead.

Guṇārṇava: So I wrote to him, and he said that it is going for paying contracts.

Prabhupāda: Contrac… Why don’t you pay the contract? Liquidate all debts?

Guṇārṇava: Mr. Lahiri and Saurabha are checking the bills. He said that you wanted it checked three or four times.

Prabhupāda: Who? Oh.

Guṇārṇava: So that they have all the bills and contracts in…

Prabhupāda: Who is checking?

Guṇārṇava: Bombay… Saurabha and Mr. Lahiri together. He is coming this week.

Prabhupāda: Bill is paid; now it is checking. And before paying the bill there was not check. This is going on. After payment, checking is going on.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Final payments have not been made.

Prabhupāda: So that will never be made, because you will never finish your business. That is the difficulty.

Guṇārṇava: Saurabha wrote me letter, and he told me that all remaining works have been refinanced by the guesthouse. Any money that was made from the guesthouse had to be utilized in finishing all the works.

Prabhupāda: And where is guest? So many things unfinished. It looks so bad. And you say everything is all right. What is all right? Do you know what is all right?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We didn’t have any money to finish the…

Prabhupāda: Then why do you say all right? Money is not there; then how it is all right? Why do you say all right? Say not all right. Money is not there. So this is the position. Guesthouse, if it is organized, yesterday we calculated we can get five hundred, six hundred rupees daily. So why it should not be done? That is also incomplete. Everything is incomplete. Source of income incomplete, and whole thing is incomplete.

Dhanañjaya: Guṇārṇava Prabhu has estimated that it will cost at least another five[?] thousand rupees…

Guṇārṇava: 75,000.

Prabhupāda: So I know that even if it is given, 75,000, you’ll never finish it. That I know.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: What we are doing is…

Prabhupāda: Then you will say, “Our estimate was wrong. We were mistaken.” This is going on. Several times, “This is estimate,” money paid “No, it was wrong. Pay more.” This is going on. What is the estimate, what is the right estimate, nobody knows.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: What we will do is now we’re going to be producing surplus from our income. That surplus is going to be used for fixing up…

Prabhupāda: That is “to be.” I am speaking what is done. That I am speaking. That is “to be.” The “to be” is going on for the last so many years. Now you utilize… You are getting money, but still “to be.” You are getting so much money, daily income, two hundred rupees, three hundred rupees. Still “to be.” You do not know what will be the actual solution. So many big, big heads, and there is no solution. I do not know what to do. So many things unfinished.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: So far, there wasn’t any surplus. Now there’s a surplus…

Prabhupāda: Where is the surplus?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Now it will start coming. Now it is… From Jhulana-yātrā our income has picked up.

Prabhupāda: But you have got money?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Now we will have a surplus.

Prabhupāda: You’ll… Again “to be.”

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: End of this month.

Prabhupāda: Again “to be.” Again, at the end of this month, again “to be.” Again “will be.” Say “We have no money.” That’s all. Why do you say indirectly? “It will be.” So many managers and so many discrepancies.

Guṇārṇava: Akṣayānanda Swami is going to be collecting.

Prabhupāda: He is collecting money. He is also paying?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He hasn’t been collecting that much.

Prabhupāda: What he has collected?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, when he went to Kanpur he collected 21,000…

Prabhupāda: And that is also gone to the belly.

Dhanañjaya: Out of the 21,000, five checks were returned.

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Five checks gone.

Dhanañjaya: So 5,550 rupees…

Prabhupāda: They have gone to belly?

Dhanañjaya: No. They have to be deducted because…

Brahmānanda: So then what was the collection?

Dhanañjaya: So collection was sixteen thousand. And eight thousand went to the BBT. [indistinct]

Prabhupāda: So why that eight thousand was not utilized to finish this business? BBT might be delayed, but what is this? Everything is unfinished. Huh? The doors are neither colored, neither painted, neither polished, as you have no money. And you are getting money and all going to the belly. So do rightly. You are so big, big heads. Baḍa baḍa bāṅdarera baḍa baḍa peṭ laṅkā diṅgāte māthā kare heṅṭ: [“Big, big monkey, big, big belly-Ceylon jumping, melancholy.”] Huh? With big belly a monkey comes forward, and if you ask him, “Jump over like Hanumānjī,” finished, belly finished. These are Bengali words. Baḍa baḍa bāṅdarera baḍa baḍa peṭ laṅkā diṅgāte māthā kare heṅṭ. “I cannot do it.” And why you have got so much belly? So this is not good. Make plan. You’ll go on plan-making, you’ll never be done. What can be done? I want to get rid of the management, but when I see, I have to see the management also. How can I remain stopped? As soon as I see things are mismanaged, I have to say. I am not dumb. So this is the… And you report that “Everything is first class.” What is this first class? Do you know meaning of first class? This is first class?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: I’m sorry. I will see…

Prabhupāda: That’s all. You simply become sorry and everything is finished. That’s all. I do not know what to do. [break] …whatever you like. Whatever like, what can I do? [Transl. Call that gentleman? Let me talk. You printed that in Bengali, did you check it with somebody or you did it of your own?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. I did of my own.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. It won’t be accepted if you do of your own.]

*Bengali man: [Transl. Whatever I understood. Did I make a mistake?]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. You don’t understand anything. You don’t understand anything that is clear from your writing. You have written with your own motive. I named it “Māyāpura Candrodaya, and you have separated it by saying “Māyāpura-sthita-Candrodaya. Why?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. What I can do? Whatever I understood I wrote.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. What right have you got to speak the way you understand? Who has given you the right?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. Please forgive my offense.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. Forgive my offense…but you don’t understand the harm you have done. Why you have…We gave you, “Śrīmāyāpuracandrodaya,” and you have written Śrīmāyāpura, and explained it also that “the moon is rising in Māyāpura.” We named the Mandir “Māyāpuracandrodaya,” and you have changed the whole meaning! You don’t understand anything, and he has written all these things against our movement.]

*Bengali man: [Transl. I didn’t say anything against! Did I say anything contrary?]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. This is contrary!]

*Bengali man: [Transl. How is it contrary?]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. We said, Śrīmāyāpurcandrodaya, and you have changed it to Śrī Māyāpur separate and Candrodaya separate, as if moon rising in Māyāpura. Who gave you this idea? “Rām is not thief,” and you change it to “Rām is thief.” We named it “Śrīmāyāpuracandrodaya,” and you changed it to Śrī Māyāpura [space] Candrodaya, and he explained it like that. They all address me as “Prabhupāda” which you didn’t. You say “Viṣṇupāda.” Who told you? They all call me Prabhupāda.]

Bengali man: nama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale….

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. That’s all right. Whatever they say, whatever they call me in this mandir you will also have to say that. Why do you say as you like? And why you write like that about us then? Nobody writes “Oṁ viṣṇupāda,” so why do you write?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. I have some problem in my ears.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. So twist your ears strongly. This is not good. You are writing about us so until it is approved by us how can you write? That’s all I am saying. You have done it of your own, that’s good. But the path we are following, you set it aside and you follow your own way. That is not good. Shouldn’t you print after checking it with us? You printed so hurriedly without any permission! Here other Bābājīs write “Nitāi gaura rādhe śyāma hare kṛṣṇa hare rāma,” but we object it. This is also same like that. Don’t we protest? But they say, we do what we think good. They may think it as good, but we object it. In the same way, you may think it as good, but we have objection. What you have done is done, but don’t do such things in future. After writing you must check it with us whether it is right or not. That is the proper way. Just like that Vipra from Bangladesh wrote something and wanted to show it to Mahāprabhu. But Svarūpa Dāmodara said, “No, this is useless!” Never print anything whimsically. When we print a book, we thoroughly check it so many times before we print.]

*Bengali man: [Transl. I didn’t say anything against the organization.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. You are saying, but they are doing it. Why we don’t approve? They are also chanting “Nitāi gaura rādhe śyāma with devotion, but why we don’t approve it? Don’t you know this?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. I don’t have so much knowledge.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. Don’t have knowledge then why do you write like an ignorant? This is the point. You don’t have knowledge so you have to take it from someone who has it. If you know that you have no knowledge then first you have to take the knowledge. Isn’t that right? And this was done purposefully. We joined together “Śrīmāyāpurcandrodaya,” and why have you separated them? Not only that you have also explained the meaning! This means you were fully aware of this! What was the need to separate?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. That’s how I understood. Māyāpur Candrodaya… like Caitanya Candrodaya…]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. Why did you understand like that? We said, “Māyāpurcandrodaya,” and you wrote Śrīmāyāpura Candrodaya. And why have you explained also?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. Candrodaya means Caitanya Candrodaya I thought.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. Where is Caitanya Candrodaya?]

*Bengali man: [Transl. Caitanyacandra is Caitanya Candrodaya I thought.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. That means anything whimsical you can think, that’s all! I thought, I thought. That will not be allowed here. I thought! Who you are! Do you know that? This will not be allowed if you want to stay here.]

*Bengali man: [Transl. I will not do it again. I apologize.]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. I thought so! Who you are! I thought like that. Who cares what you think? Everybody thinks what I am doing is best. But we have to judge by the result!] So what are you going to do about this finishing? Everything… [Transl. *peṭāya namaḥ? Namaḥ peṭāya. Stomachāya. Namaḥ stomachāya. *Whatever comes devour it.]

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We’ll start getting it done now.

Prabhupāda: How you’ll do? You say you have no money. How you’ll do it? Whole money is going to the stomach. All ghee, all money, everything. And becoming sick and sleepy. Whole day and night sleep. I do not know when it will be finished. What is the use of starting another gurukula? Whatever you have taken, that is not yet finished. All shabby. And your report is, “Everything is all right.” Everything is all right except nothing is finished. So I do not know how to do. There was shops made, and why it is closed again?

Dhanañjaya: Because Mr. Saraf came.

Prabhupāda: That’s all right. Let him go to the court. We shall see.

Dhanañjaya: Now he’s agreed.

Prabhupāda: Then now again break; again make shop. This is going on. There was no expenditure to make the shop, and again closing, there was expenditure. So money is spent like this “Make it and break it.” That is American way.

Dhanañjaya: There is no cement. It is all mud, just muddy.

Prabhupāda: That is explanation. That is not… [Transl. You build once and then you break it. Why did you build then?]

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Because that was on his land, he was very much against it. But those shops…

Prabhupāda: That is all right, but why did you not ask me? And why you did you not ask me before opening the shop, if you have no brain? If you have no brain, then why did you not ask? You give explanation, “Because that was not.” So that was not. So why did you do it? And money is coming, “Give me. Send me two lakhs, four lakhs,” and things are unfinished.

*Dhanañjaya: [indistinct]

*Prabhupāda: [Transl. Whatever you do in future you first ask then do it.]

*Bengali man: [Transl. Yes. I take your leave, Mahārāja.]

Brahmānanda: There’s still twenty minutes. We could begin the program.

Prabhupāda: When they begin?

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: 7:30. We can have guru-pūjā now and small kīrtana before the Deities open. [end]