Morning Walk
They are researching for something which is useless.
Prabhupāda:
…find out wine and woman. That’s all.
Girirāja:
[reading from Kṛṣṇa book] “While they were thus enjoying themselves…”
Prabhupāda:
But in America I don’t think there is such thing.
Dr. Patel:
Because, these nightclubs and all these things is of this type.
Prabhupāda:
Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel:
Sex, merriment. I have not seen a single nightclub, though I studied in England for two years. [break]
Prabhupāda:
…Nārada, but still they are sinful. Such a great personality like Nārada they have seen, but still they are sinful. Go on.
Girirāja:
“As such, the great sage Nārada considered that because the demigods Nalakūvara and Maṇigrīva were so infatuated by false prestige, they should be put in a condition of life devoid of opulence.” [break]
Prabhupāda:
…bench, standing. The small children, they are punished, “Stand up on the bench.” It is like that.
Dr. Patel:
All vegetables are in tamas, in tamas [indistinct].
Prabhupāda:
No. Some of them, fruitful, those trees for supplying nice fruits, nice flowers, they are in the goodness. Everywhere the three qualities are working.
Yaśomatīnandana:
There may be dog in the mode of goodness?
Prabhupāda:
No, dog is an animal. He is in the ignorance. But the cow is in goodness. Sattva-raja-tamo.
Dr. Patel:
Horse is in rajas.
Prabhupāda:
Horse, lions. The monkey is in tamas.
Dr. Patel:
And animal is in tamas and rajas…
Prabhupāda:
Everything, there are three qualities, everywhere.
Dr. Patel:
Everywhere. But more rajas is in monkeys, because they are more active. These particular… [break]
Prabhupāda:
They are researching for something which is useless. Therefore tamas. Rajas-tamo-bhavaḥ kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye [SB. 1.2.19]. This is the effect of rajas-tamas: kāma and lobha, greedy and always hankering after.
Dr. Patel:
But sometimes real scientists speak out the truth. [break]
Prabhupāda:
Don’t give pain to others.
Dr. Patel:
Don’t give…?
Prabhupāda:
Others, painful condition. If you feel pain by certain condition, that is…
Dr. Patel:
Ātmavat sarva bhūteṣu.
Prabhupāda:
Yes.
Girirāja:
“Generally it is seen that one who has risen from a poverty-stricken life and becomes wealthy creates some charitable institution at the end of his life…” [break]
Prabhupāda:
…goes to market and gets some this… What is called, bhūta, bhūta?
Dr. Patel:
What is, bhūta,
Yaśomatīnandana:
Corns.
Prabhupāda:
Corns. [break]
Dr. Patel:
Corn, or this…
Yaśomatīnandana:
[indistinct]
Dr. Patel:
But that is why I say that rasanā [tongue] is not so strong as śiṣṇa [genital].
Prabhupāda:
No, if you do not allow rasanā to enjoy much, śiṣṇa will be subdued.
Dr. Patel:
But still, I mean personally, for myself, I don’t have any taste for any food. In fact I have been taking all the food together just like the sannyāsīs, and I don’t have any taste. But still I have from within me I don’t find that form of sex carrying out, though I am a scientist.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to say that “Sex life is so strong that even if I see one wooden female form I become excited.”
Dr. Patel:
That is why I feel the same thing.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. So this is not unnatural. Caitanya Mahāprabhu tells this because this cannot be avoided. But by knowledge it can be avoided.
Dr. Patel:
We were talking the same thing.
Prabhupāda:
Yes, by knowledge. Yes. But “Because I am excited, therefore I have to do this,” that is not good.
Dr. Patel:
But then I found out the solution for this. As soon as you feel excitement… [break] Then you have nothing to do with it.
Prabhupāda:
Therefore knowledge.
Dr. Patel:
Yes. That I have started practicing this for some time. And I feel a great solace in that.
Prabhupāda:
That has been recommended by Śaṅkarācārya, that “Why you are attracted by these forms? It is only a combination of flesh and marrow. That’s all.”
Dr. Patel:
No, but who is attracted? The indriya is attracted. I am beyond indriya. That also you think. I am master of the indriya. [break]
Prabhupāda:
So long we are associated… The example I have given many times, that I am sitting on a car, and the car there is accident. I am not car. Still, I am excited, “Oh, my car is lost. Why you have struck my car?” There is so much quarrel. But it is a fact, he knows that “I am not the car.” That is called abhiniveśa.
Dr. Patel:
Wrong orientation.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. [break] Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says, matṛvat para-dareṣu: “Always think of other’s wife as mother.”
Dr. Patel:
Mātṛvat…
Prabhupāda:
Yes. [break] …also have to die.
Dr. Patel:
We die, don’t mind, but we want others to die as Muslims. We want to die them as Hindus. [break] …supersonic soundness.
Prabhupāda:
Supersonic? What is that? Any circumstance, the ruling power is nature. He cannot avoid that. Daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. [break] …more their senses are turbulent. This is also… Therefore there is one tapasā brahmacāryena [SB. 6.1.13], and the word anaśana, anaśana, “not eating.” Eating should be reduced.
Dr. Patel:
Tapasā brahmacāryena damena… [break]
Prabhupāda:
…yamena, damena. There are so many. Out of that, there is one, anaśana, anaśana, not eating.
Dr. Patel:
Anaśana. Ana-asana.
Prabhupāda:
Yes. [break]
Girirāja:
“…not very turbulent, he cannot become violent.” [break]
Prabhupāda:
…yuktāhāra. Not to eat more, not to eat less. That is required.
[break] …yes, when I was alone in Baroda, I was making my customers for Back to Godhead. So I entered one gentleman’s house, and from the porch he was, “Don’t come! Don’t come! Don’t come!” [laughs] Immediately.
Dr. Patel:
Baroda was a very small place then. [indistinct] place. [break]
Prabhupāda:
…if I go to a place, jataji bhikṣā dijiye, so everyone will be compassionate. And it is our duty, at least in Vedic civilization, that when a sannyāsī comes he is received: “Aiye, aiye, Mahārāja, betiye.” Still. Still in the villages they do that. Just like it is mentioned in the śāstra that brahmacārī and sannyāsīs should be taken as the sons of the society.
Dr. Patel:
In Poona, even today in Poona… [break]
Prabhupāda:
They are trained like that, very good. [break] It is compulsory that every man should become a mendicant for some time.
Indian man (1):
They must have experience of that. [break]
Prabhupāda:
…there is a temple, Tarakeśvara, in Hoogli district. So Lord Śiva… So people, I mean to say, pray that “If my this disease is cured” or “If I get this victory, I shall become a sannyāsī for a month.” [laughs] So that system is going on. They become sannyāsīs for one month. There are hundreds and thousands.
Dr. Patel:
They, according to our Hindu… [break]
Prabhupāda:
This is called “one-month sannyāsī.” That is not mentioned in the śāstra, but it has come into custom.
Dr. Patel:
Custom. But according to śāstra… [break]
Prabhupāda:
…and if he returns, he is called vāntāśī, yes, “eating the vomit.”
Indian man (1):
Before giving sannyāsa, the teacher will take proper care that his mind is already peaceful and all… [break]
Prabhupāda:
…obeisances, we take out our shoes. That is a system.
Indian man (1):
Even the hat…
Prabhupāda:
Hat, yes. [break] …naked is not civilization. It is not civilization.
Dr. Patel:
That means practice tapas right from the beginning of your days… [break]
Prabhupāda:
The body is changed.
Dr. Patel:
It’s not icchā-dveṣa samutthena dvandva-mohena [Bg. 7.27]? [break]
Prabhupāda:
That past life, because the body is changed, you forget.
Dr. Patel:
Some of the people also…
Prabhupāda:
Some of the…
Dr. Patel:
I don’t know how it is. It is difficult to explain.
Prabhupāda:
That is special. That is special.
Dr. Patel:
There is a big research going on in the parapsychology here in India and America.
Prabhupāda:
No, it is by the grace of God one can remember about his past life.
[break] …practical experience. In our family, my mother’s eldest sister, her son of a previous birth came to see her. Old man, very old man.
[break] This is called illusion.
Dr. Patel:
All relations of the son, child, wife, husband, all these are of the… [break]
Prabhupāda:
…just like in the river sometimes several straws will meet together…
Dr. Patel:
[indistinct Sanskrit]
Prabhupāda:
…and again they disperse. [break] We get our body and mix together, and again we are dispersed by the waves of time. [break] …at the end we shall see Kṛṣṇa. [break]
Girirāja:
“ ‘…the original Personality of Godhead, master of all mystic powers, learned brāhmaṇas know very well that this cosmic manifestation is an expansion of Your potency.’ “ [break]
Prabhupāda:
…and Nalakūvara, but He remained bound up.
Indian man (1):
About His līlā?
Prabhupāda:
Yes. [break] Yaśodāmāyī is more powerful than Kṛṣṇa. Eh?
Indian man (1):
No, devotees are more powerful always.
Prabhupāda:
[laughing] Just see. He liberated Nalakūvara, but He remained bound up by the rope of Yaśodāmāyī. [break] …children. [break] …some conjugal love.
Dr. Patel:
Then He became eight years old. How could any gopī have a conjugal love with a boy of seven or eight years?
Indian man (1):
Spiritual love.
Prabhupāda:
That is not this love. That is a different love.
Dr. Patel:
Conjugal love is mādhurya-rāsa.
Prabhupāda:
Mādhurya-rāsa, yes… [break] …eat along with my father. Yes. Unless I come, father will not…
Dr. Patel:
But you were brought up in a big city, but I was brought up in a small village. Actually… [break]
Prabhupāda:
The same. It doesn’t matter whether it is in the village or town.
Dr. Patel:
In the villages we eat more. We used to buy [Hindi]… [break] [end]